I, personally, enjoy that there’s an actual server economy with certain niches to fill.
You also think FFXIV’s grinds are different than WoW grinds, because reasons–I’m sure you do. I’m sure there’s no grind involved in purchasing those garden mats that should be accessible to everyone in the first place, either.
Excet other than aestetics there is 100% no need for an alt in FFXIV. Every single aspect of FFXIV can be experienced on one single character.
Literally the only reason to have an alt is appearance. But wait it’s only $10 to change your appearance on FFXIV for a character that can literally be everything. On wow its $25 to change a race of a single class.
Those reasons being that FFXIV’s grinds are generally self-fulfilling, whereas WoW has you grinding one type on content to be optimal in another.
Or if you’re a Hrothgar and you want a haircut, because the devs have been radio silent about that “oversight” of their halfbaked rush job for two years, lmao.
People like choice. You must run in small circles in the RP community of FFXIV if you’ve never run into someone with an alt. But I’m sure none of that has anything to do with pushing Square’s bloated cash shop.
You just called them “grinds”, but they are DIFFERENT grinds because reasons that surely matter while you’re slogging through them. You touted player housing, then downgraded that to apartments when the absolutely terrible game design of getting a house was brought up. When apartments lacking resources needed for crafting are brought up, you like “an economy”.
Touting flaws in their design as a feature is about as much of a sales pitch as “it gets better after the first expansion”–or calling the two-year Hrothgar cashgrab an “oversight”.
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I don’t RP at all. Yes SE has a bloated cash shop that’s for sure however they don’t sell anything like a token for gold/gil so boosting/carries aren’t completely out of control over there. People actually, you know, play the game instead of playing for profit or paying for carries.
I’m not saying there is 100% no carries in FFXIV but at least chat isn’t literally filled with “WTS MYTHIC 15 ANY KEY BUY TWO AND GET A FREE LOOT FUNNEL”
IMO a haircut is such an insignificant thing to complain about.
I just can’t get over the fact you think all grinds are equal.
Oh, they sure aren’t, lmao. I’d take Torghast over Bozja absolutely any day of the week, Torghast can be soloed.
It shows you don’t roleplay, to be honest. But it’s a big part of the playerbase, and Square is trying to cash in on that, rather than give choice that wouldn’t involve $$$$ on top of the sub.
I think Square’s bloated cash shop–with at least 40 outfits/emotes/etc. that have never been available at holidays–can’t be compared with WoW tokens, which allows players to play the game for nothing but in-game money.
No, FFXIV chat is full of goldselling bots that Square just never seems to bother banning. Oh, and those bots sell clears too. 
It isn’t insignificant if you play a Hrothgar, you know, that race that was one of the featured selling points of Shadowbringers. Devs causing a problem, not answering the playerbase about it, and milking it for cash for two years isn’t shady at all. Tell me, if WoW did that to your chosen race–would you be so indifferent to it?
I swear if Square gave y’all a cup of piss you’d call it lemonade, lmao.
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According to you a grind is a grind. You shouldn’t have a preference in a grind it’s literally the exact same thing.
I don’t RP. It’s never interested me. So putting a haircut in the cash shop is not a big deal at all.
Two words that ruin that: gold boosting
Considering there are plenty of styles to choose from, I still think it’s fine. You’re going all out harping on one single aesthetic feature which IS insignificant compared to being able to experience every single aspect of the entire enormous MMO on a single character.
I just don’t get riled up over insignificant things.
Mmyes, soloing to get Soul Ash is absolutely on par in terms of timesink with Bozja, which–like Eureka before it–sometimes didn’t have enough participants to spawn FATEs. Both are still grinds, but one is significantly friendlier than the other. But yes, I know, FFXIV is flawless, WoW bad, etc.
There’s enough interest in RP that Square made tags for roleplayers. Just because you are not personally affected by it doesn’t mean there’s not issues. Or, should we just add “okay, you can’t really roll alts easily but you can shell out $$$$ to change” to the sales pitch of “it gets better after level 50, honest”.
No, it really doesn’t, but keep moving those goalposts. “Boosting”? You mean levels? Why would anyone boost in WoW? The game design is so alt friendly, my alt was 50 in three days. In FFXIV, where the design is a mandatory slog that “gets better”, you have to boost both story progression AND job.
I get it, you’re bitter you don’t like WoW right now.
I can really tell you don’t play Hrothgar. See, when they sell their expansion with Hrothgar as a key point but fail to mention that Hrothgar, unlike every other race, need a Fantasia to get a haircut–due to the shoddy rush job they gave the rig–that’s not insignificant. That’s deliberately banking on a situation they created. That’s deplorable. And you might want to brush it off because “WoW bad FFXIV gud”, but if Blizzard had done it, you’d be screaming fraud, greed, evil devs, ad nauseum.
I wish the FFXIV spammers had thought a bit before trolling this forum, they’re doing Square no favors at all.
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So let me get this straight. You’re saying that there’s a difference between grinds? I thought you were adamant that: a grind is a grind there’s no difference. I mean didn’t you say:
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Does this mean you’re changing your stance?
I never claimed RP wasn’t big in FFXIV. I don’t and can’t speak for anyone but myself. For me, personally, I don’t have an issue.
Not talking about levels at all. I’m talking about how wow is literally flooded with nothing but WTS M15 and WTS heroic castle and WTS mythic castle. Both in trade chat and the group finder. But wow’s good and healthy with all that spam right? Wow is in a much better place because of it.
Damn right I don’t like wow right now. These external power systems have absolutely killed any fun in wow. Again that’s for me personally and speaking for only me.
You are trying to hammer such an insignificant point. Oh no! I have to pay for a haircut for one particular race…TERRIBLE GAME!!!
For the record I’ve never claimed FFXIV is perfect but what I’m saying is FFXIV is doing WAY MORE right for me than wow is.
No. Torghast is still a grind. But it’s a grind I can solo. I mean, I can change my stance if you’d like, but it wouldn’t be in FFXIV’s favor, lmao.
And personally, a lot of RPers I know do. I love alts myself, and the difficulty of raising one was one of the first disappointments I had when I was new to FFXIV.
As I said before–both games have carries. Bots spam chat with it, and have you not looked at Party Finder lately?
Seriously, I get it, you hate this game upon whose forums you are posting, but in regards to “boosts”, FFXIV has the exact same thing. Why is it okay in your mind when FFXIV does it?
“It doesn’t affect me so No Big Deal” is what you’re saying, because you seem absolutely incapable of admitting FFXIV has problems of its own. That’s a non-argument. I can see why it’s easy to discount, you obviously play a race that pays 2000 gil if you want to try a snazzy new hairstyle. Square could at least warn players of that “oversight”, but nah. Why would they ever do that. 
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A grind is a grind when it’s convenient for you to say so. Clearly FFXIV has hurt you in some way since you want to hate on it.
So you speak for everyone you know in FFXIV. Interesting.
The reason for alts in wow is you want to experience a different class or a different role. There is tangible gameplay differences. That’s not the case in FFXIV. You can experience every single job on one character. Alts are 100% useless to have in FFXIV.
FFXIV’s boosting and carries are NO WHERE NEAR the amount seen in wow. Carries exist everywhere but wow actively encourages it because of the token sales. You can’t convince me otherwise.
Please show me where I said FFXIV is perfect and doesn’t have any problems. If you can find a quote of me saying that, I’ll apologize to you immediately.
You mean every race but one? You’re so caught up on this damn haircut. I’m starting to believe you hate FFXIV based on not being able to get a haircut on one single race. It seems ridiculous.
Are you really trying to dunk on me with that when you are lingering on the forums of a game you claim you hate just to spam hate, lmfao. You know what actually upsets me? The playerbase I used to enjoy has practically become a childish cult, spamming other games’ social media with copypastas and trolling forums because “FFXIV gud this game bad”. It’s embarrassing, and when said trolls are called out for omitting little things like the trash-tier process of being able to actually get a house, suddenly you “hate” FFXIV. This tribalist pile of horsechips isn’t the “great community” FFXIV is supposed to have, but then again, y’all say it’s a great game–if you can just make it through a 50-level slog you admit is terrible.
Yoshida calls himself a Blizzard fanboy. He freely admits things he enjoys from WoW are borrowed for FFXIV. The devs from both games socialize. Are y’all going to call them shills next? I’d love to see it.
No, I speak for the ones who directly commiserate with me on what a bass-ackwards slog it is to level an alt. You sure want to tell me some things are “insignificant” because you say so, though.
It also can be to experience a different look, different lore, different character, as another poster said earlier. But, let me guess. “It doesn’t affect me, so No Big Deal”, lmao.
Oh, so now it’s not the carries that are evil, it’s the numbers, because otherwise, FFXIV would be–geesp!–flawed. No, seriously, lmao. Why don’t you just keep repeating “WoW bad FFXIV gud”, it’d probably be easier.
FFXIV only wants your money for a sub, WoW offers a way to play with in-game gold alone. 
Hm.
Give me some problems you have with FFXIV, because it doesn’t look like boosts are one of them anymore.
If you had to pay $$$$ to get a haircut for your Miqo/Elezen/potato/etc, I guarantee you that you would find it significant in a hurry. But, no, please, go on–“WoW bad FFXIV gud”. Shame on a player picking a race that was the featured promotion of Shadowbringers, for assuming they could pay 2k gil for haircuts like every other race! It’s not like they were warned or anything.
Honestly, I think this conversation has run its course, because, like the boosts, you are arguing in very bad faith. Say that I drank the kool-aid, you enjoy that lemonade, lmfao. I’m sure the FFXIV forums would love to hear all your gushing praise, you should try them!
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Getting an apartment, on the other hand, was pretty simple for me. Half a million gil and no camping involved.
I’m just calling out your hypocrisy in saying “a grind is a grind there’s literally no difference” then saying oh wait there IS a difference when it’s convenient for me to say there is a difference. Just don’t be a hypocrite.
I’ll make a little correction, I’m on a forum of a game I used to love and would have defended back when it was good. The bottom line, and something you STILL can’t comprehend, is FFXIV is DOING MORE THINGS THAT I PERSONALLY LIKE while wow is doing many many things I personally don’t like. You bet I’m going to sing the praise of one and bash the other.
I took 6 months off and just came back last week. Reason: “man I kinda miss wow, I wouldn’t mind to go back and maybe do some old content and get a good hit of that nostalgia”. I regretted my decision after 3 days. I dared to start leveling this mage then looked at SL end game and said oh hell no. I remember why I hate modern wow.
And you want me to tell me those things are significant. Seems we’re at an impasse here. Just because they’re important to you doesn’t mean they’re important to me. We just have a differing opinion here.
Other than looks the differences are insignificant. You can change looks with $10. Which is less than half of the money it takes to change a wow character’s looks.
Also ending a statement with “lmao” makes you seem incredibly childish.
Do you have your head in a bubble? Do you just pick one aspect of a conversation and twist it against someone?
Let me repeat this again and maybe you’ll understand it:
I NEVER SAID FFXIV WAS PERFECT.
How many times does this need repeating?
Loading screens between every zone.
Edit - oh one more, SE’s attitude toward addons.
Yes it’s difficult to talk to someone so immature.
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And honestly, this isn’t just an FFXIV issue anymore. WoW has a bunch of loading screens now as well. Every time I leap into the Maw – loading screen. Every time I leave Oribos – loading screen. The days when I could spend 90% of my playtime in WoW riding or flying between zones with no loading screen are long gone. Taking a boat and triggering a loading screen used to be a rare occurrence. Now, the game is centered around zones that trigger loading screens whenever I want to move between them.
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Fully agree! I knew SL would have loading screens between zones but it feels much worse than I thought. Want to fly from say Bastion to Revendreth enjoy TWO loading screens! It feels much worse than FFXIV.
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I have trouble taking WoW players seriously when they criticize FFXIV loading screens for this very reason. I see it often. Someone talks about how nice it is to be able to instantly teleport to a zone at will with no flying animation, and the WoW defender comes back with, “loading screen.” At that point, I find myself doing the Jackie Chan WTF meme gesture. I don’t see how a handful of loading screens surrounded by a couple of minutes of flying animations is better than instantly teleporting to where you want to go with a single loading screen.
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