…so let me get this right. You Join a pvp server and get a warning saying “pvp will be enabled at all levels” then some rando gets ganked by a troll. and suddenly its every pvpers fault?
This kind of rage is what ruins games. You like warmode to play with your pvp friends, fine that’s cool. put a pvp server up and suddenly it’s all pvpers are toxic and camp noobs.
It’s easy you don’t have to play on a pvp server, your friends and family can but you don’t need to. Yes, bad pvp serves exist, but that isn’t a reason to not try one and blizz try and tweak the balance a bit.
if it doesn’t work and they turn it into another rp realm you don’t lose anything and if it works out you still don’t gain anything from it, the only people that would win would be the pvp players.
For all those in the forum who are with me and want a pvp server experience, I think it’s time we stop listing to all these pve players arguing against us even though we’ve proven our point a thousand time. Let’s take some real action. If we can really get active, we can make this happen. Start posting in other places, submit your game menu suggestion, check the devs updates and comment on those. If we all go to the extent I’m trying to, we have a chance. When I play a few days a week, I very casually ask 1 person in war mode if they like it, or would prefer a pvp server. I’m very polite about it, and assure them there is no pressure, but if they say that they prefer a pvp server, to submit their vote in the game menu with a suggestion. We gotta spread the word more and get out need out there. This thread is mainly just noise and PvE players arguing against something they don’t even care about. Post in other areas, ask your pvp friends on wow, let’s make something happen. Even a post outside of blizzard forums helps too. I did a Reddit post not too long ago, and there are others who agree in there too. To sum it up, I need the help of others in this thread to make this happen. I think we have we chance if we try.
Every time I’ve asked the question of ‘what does a PvP server bring you that War Mode doesn’t’ it all comes back to being able to hold character progression hostage. ‘I want to be able to camp someone to the point they’re forced to log off and not play the game.’ ‘War Mode’s bad because they can opt out of PvP whenever they want.’ ‘It’s bad because they can play the game outside of PvP.’ ‘I want to them to be forced into PvP.’
That’s literally it. That’s the sole difference between staying in War Mode and a PvP server, that other people are kept as captive targets.
Lets try this again. You willingly join a pvp server, a pop up says “pvp will be on at all levels” you click okay and roll a toon…you get to engage in pvp, not against your will you made the choice.
I will also be very clear trolls will camp you, trolls will also pull and wipe in pve trolls are every where stop crying about it. I would like to have a pvp server, you dont. I cant make you play on it. No one can make you play on it. Stop getting upset other players want to have fun.
Many (including myself) agree with this, and want the PvP realm to be isolated and not sharded with any other realms.
RPPvP communities prefer to engage with a single community - it builds relationships and storylines with other players and guilds. Emerald Dream used to have ongoing and impromptu RP conflicts between guilds.
Kind of like how RP servers prefer cities to not be sharded, or else it disrupts their RP.
While I’m pretty sure we all know how it would go, I’d kinda be interested to see what would happen if they opened a single PvP server (no transfers). Not more than one, because that would be easier for one to turn into the “Horde server” or the “Alliance server.”
And if things happen differently than we expect? Well, lesson learned, right?
I don’t do pvp anymore but I do have a suggestion. If they do add a pvp server I’d make it isolated so people can’t group hop out or atleast only allow them to group with warmode groups. Dungeons and LFR don’t count since they are instances.
It would be the same thing for this PvP server; a spike of initial interest that gradually but certainly fell off to a collection of diehards, except its insular nature is self-enforced by literal gatekeeping PCs.
Biggest reason why War Mode isn’t the same is because of sharding. It’s random and unpredictable. Sometimes you’ll be placed in shards where there’s little to no enemy faction and others where there’s mostly the enemy faction and no one around to help. Rarely is it an even 50/50.
I’m assuming, by OPs logic, that a PvP realm wouldn’t have sharding. It’d be everyone on the server will only see those on that PvP realm.
For those concerned about faction balance, all Blizzard would need to do is monitor it like they did on Season of Discovery PvP realms. There, they disabled creating a character of a faction if there started to be an imbalance.
For me personally, I’m on the fence about PvP realms. I have fond memories of PvP servers, but Blizzard already killed the idea when they decided to turn existing PvP realms into normal realms and introduce War Mode. WM itself isn’t a bad idea on paper, but it was implemented horribly. Imbalanced shards and no incentives for keeping War Mode enabled is what is causing it to be disliked by many PvPers.
Fix the issues with War Mode and you actually have a solid foundation for WPvP that can be built upon.
Another thing that concerns me is that blizzard is taking the game in a singular city format. Everyone shares the same city now it seems, the hubs are not separated by faction city or area with faction exclusive area’s.
Example we use to get places like Thrallmar or Honor Hold or Lion’s Watch and Vol’mar. They both contained different quests and sometimes lead horde and alliance to cross paths for pvp or you could attack guards in x city to cause faction conflict. This doesn’t mean wpvp wouldn’t be great outside of the citys but it’s one of those things that personally urked me moving forward with retail.
World Defense alerts was really huge for Wpvpers that got busted during legion and no longer works. “Darkshire is underattack” If you was out in the world you could stop what you was doing to go help. It felt great and sadly is non existent currently.
Removing phasing and cross server to make us a independent and singular server is 100% the answer as well. I said this before but we need to be our own society and only those that want to enjoy that experience should join.
Anything can change moving forward just like the decision they took us after legion. However history always repeats itself and can’t expect alliance and horde to remain friends over everything that’s happened so far.
It’s apparent there is a community that supports it and sadly alot of people who played retail for years and supported the game was forced to play classic which is tragic in my opinion since the content they enjoyed was practically gutted.
World Defense still works, it’s just no one pays attention to it. I see constant updates about Wingrest or the Lifeshrine being under attack. Yet we almost never get reinforcements.
Also, the very same expansion you think so fondly of had SHATTRATH GODS-DAMNED CITY.