If we can re-rune for free whenever, we should be able to re-spec for free whenever

Because fresh Era seasons are good. They gave us a season but added some retail to it. I will protest against the retail but support the season.

Even without runes it wouldn’t be identical they are adding new content, which I am not opposed to.

But changing classes I generally am, and SoD is showing that those updated classes are hard to tune and nothing was really gained.

You know what changed the meta?

Runes.

“Changing the meta” is the point of Season of Discovery. It’s literally, literally, LITERALLY the point.

The whole entire point of Season of Discovery is to feel like classic while disrupting the status quo. So saying it disrupts the status quo is not a negative. And if you think “changing the status quo” is not in the spirit of vanilla… you didn’t play Vanilla. Because Vanilla constantly changed. It had the fastest patch cadence of any era of WoW.

Most of those still exists even with dual spec.

I called you a troll because you refused to acknowledge a simple reality. When it’s raining outside we can disagree whether the rain is an issue, but if you say there are clear skies you’re trolling.

The lack of dual spec is absolutely a problem. You can say the cost of fixing the problem is greater, but if you say it isn’t a problem when literally time after time after time people have complained about the friction the lack of it causes, you’re trolling.

this is not a fresh era season and it wasnt advertised as such either…

They did nothing but add 1 raid.

The world is exactly the same.

A brand new experience was gained for those who play off meta specs.

Yet it is. It is on the Era client and the second season following Season of Mastery.

If it was classic+ it would be called classic+, if it was retail-lite it would be on the retail client, yet it isn’t.

Well they have been pretty clear they are also changing gnomer and other raids further on. This is similar to what they did in SoM except in SoM they made stuff harder instead of easier.

They are doing the same thing in a different skin. Giving them that experience cost the entire balance, added resiliance to pvp, nerfed damage in bgs, and it is still miles from being balanced.

The gameplay is much worse than a standard 1.12 classic, sure it is fun and meme-y, but the level of play is so much lower than a standard season woulda been. The gameplay in SoM was much better and pvp games were way higher skill.

it’s on classic, advertised as classic:SoD.

not era.

Yes, they are adding 1-2 raids per phase.

You’re entitled to your #nochanges opinion.

That is the Era client that is being used. They added HC and SoD to the Era client.

Classic isn’t a useful term since blizzard called TBC, WOTLK, and now CATA as classic while they are just versions of retail.

You’re entitled to your very bad opinion.

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All roads lead to Era. One day our views will align :slight_smile:

Nah, I usually move on to newer and better things.

Trauma is for those who are stuck in the past ^.^

#refusing to move on

I’ll move on if they ever make a better version, but at the moment that seems very far off.

Perhaps another game will come and be better than vanilla, we’ll see.

But Era has been strong for nearly 20 years - thought most of that I spent playing dota.

era has been strong for a few years.

Vanilla and era are 2 completely different games.

But you weren’t there back then to make that distinguish and it shows

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Nah Era is vanilla - and I did play OG vanilla back in the day as a little kid, somehow convincing my parents to pay the monthly fee.

People can make all these bifurcations but Era is the closest thing to vanilla there has ever been and so I am comfortable calling it that.

Vanilla didn’t have 20 warrior raids, there was more versatility.

Closest thing to vanilla, still 2 different games.

Neither does Era outside top tier runs. You can join as basically any meme spec these days if you are going to average runs that are below AQ40/naxx.

Same game different times.

Even with free respecs, tank classes are still unwilling to tank. I just saw a BFD group consisting of 2 warriors still LF 2 tanks. And those Warriors still gatekept a Warrior tank from joining, because waaah I don’t want more competition for loot. If you’re a Warrior and you’re unwilling to tank, you have less value than a Warrior that is willing to tank.

I mean…about half the playerbase are warriors…

Says a lot about your game.

Nah not even close - there are tons of rogues that are crying to get into raids as well :joy: but they are far less useful.

People are playing every single spec and things are pretty balanced - give it a try one day, you may actually enjoy it :slight_smile:

Every raid is constantly trying to get more warriors - there are never enough as well, if that’s what you enjoy.

rogues compete with warriors in era, so makes sense.

the top 3k players on WCL disagrees with you.

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Yeah of course they are at the top but go to an average MC, BWL, or 20 man - and you will see far less warriors. It will be a clown fest of whoever was available to raid in that moment and they are pretty fun.

There is very little gatekeeping outside AQ40 / naxx - at that point if you’re not a top of your class and not a warrior with consumes, than yeah it may be harder to get in. But that’s because people want to clear the content and even with a decent group (half of them near full bis and a few less geared players), all consuming (spending 2-3k per run in consumes) it still takes near 3 hours to clear naxx.

then it isn’t properly balanced.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.