If ur not raiding in a guild, SL ain't for you

Except I’m not raiding at all, except perhaps LFR to finish questlines and stories when it comes out. I’m not even really chasing gear; it’s being dropped in my hands for the daily things I do.

Yet I’ve been glued to my computer for anywhere from four to six or eight hours a day since launch.

Not everyone feels the same things you are feeling, or liking, or wanting.

So. If you’re not raiding in a guild, SL ain’t for you. Just you. For me, SL is more than just OK, it’s great fun, and my guild is doing exactly what I want it to do - provide chat and social interaction with the occasional group for casual content.

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Stop telling me what is and what isn’t for me.

Exactly this, the game is in the best state it’s ever been in.

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main reason i choose a DK, because i knew pugging is horrible for solo players, so i was able to get geared through tanking, then i can swap to dps spec my preferred spec

I stopped playing my main just because I feel like I can’t go anywhere else unless I change specs or wait for a buff. So I’ll log in this week on him do the 10 Mythic Keystones. Down 3 Raid bosses. Do the weekly’s and then lvl my druid.

Eh, with xrealm invites and Communities (including off-peak / late night / daytime raiding ones) there’s every opportunity to find people who are free whenever you get free. You don’t even have to leave your server!

This is a game I’ve been subscribed to for 14 years and just about all my fondest memories are having fun with friends. Many of those friends stopped playing because the game became soloable. Garrisons in particular wrecked my friends list and its never recovered. Ysee, part of the reason people group up is because of friction in-game that is eased when you stop playing solo – and that gives people who like human interaction in MMORPGs the groups that give you life-long friendships.

Idk what to say, this is an MMORPG that has seen its greatest moments when guilds and servers were bustling and active, alive and healthy. For me, the downfall of that WoW started with xrealm group finder which removed any social consequences of being a d-bag in groups.

Its never been easier to find groups for activities that you like. You should try it.

I have run nearly 20 M+ this week, pugging, and have gotten two pieces of loot. In the first two. Have gone 0-15 since, besides useless conduits.

My raiderio is 550 which is respectable and I can’t get a group now because my ilvl is still 188.

Had to join a raid guild because it’s my only hope of staying relevant.

It usually is this early in any expansion.

Yes! This is exactly what Ion and the dev team are encouraging players to do, I don’t see how this is a bad thing at all.

I am not in a guild and pug everything and I am 193 and downed 6 normal bosses, 1 heroic boss, and did an untimed +10 last week. So what was your excuse again? Because not being in a guild is not an excuse for being 170. 170 means you aren’t even full heroic dungeon geared yet…which can be done by queueing up for heroic dungeons - no guild required. Stop crying and play the game maybe and you will get some more gear.

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Then go try understand to it. You really have no excuse.

At least i try to ask for an understanding or try to understand it and not go like “Oh the system is totally fine guys” without any proof that is fine.

Which brings me to my second point, are you going to say the same thing for everything in Shadowlands?

Oh the zones are divided and the zones are small. “Oh the system is fine”.

Oh Covenants are unbalanced. “It fine. The System’s fine.”

Sylvanas got her redemption story. “The system’s fine.”

Oh hey, the game bugged out and i can’t see the floor anymore. “That means it’s working as intended, it’s fine. Along were not in Beta for Azeroth, were fine. it’s a player problem, move along.”

Players want solo PUG style content to give better rewards or equivalent rewards to organized group style content and this is just not the direction that Shadowlands is headed and I personally agree with the dev team on this one. It’s an MMO, without the part where you organize and beat higher challenges being there it becomes a single player RPG with multiplayer elements.

I understand people find the iLevel requirements to join M+ or Raids too much but it’s only 3 weeks in, get some Vault gear and slowly start your own groups if that’s the case or find a good guild.

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:raised_hand: I said go try to understand why the people are complaining.

Why do you keep associating clearer or better loot progression with “wanting more loot”?

How is it not true? Players dictate who they want in their groups and how to run it.

Join a guild. If you are playing wow as a solo game, you are playing it wrong.

There is very clear gear progression through and through, so that’s why I don’t understand people complaining when the system is working as intended.

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Just my two cents, but:

Just because the system is working as intended, doesn’t mean that it’s enjoyable for everyone equally.

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And I agree, not everyone will be happy but to say the system isn’t working at all is incorrect as well. In my opinion, WoW is in the best state that it’s ever been in.

start your own group. it’s not hard. even as a solo dps i managed to fill a group in 5 minutes

You didn’t answer my question on why you keep on associating clearer or better loot progression with “wanting more loot”.

BFA’s system work as intended.

…Are you just going to keep copying and pasting the same thing?

“WoW is in the best state that it’s ever been in.”

What do you mean it’s in the best state it’s ever been in?