I agree with this, but I am really really scared of it as well. For example if we find out in SL that Sylvanis did what she did to ultimately save all of us, this is the justification they will use.
I don’t know about that. Arthas did what he did for the sake of others even if it eventually lead to him becoming everything he fought against. Sylvanas is doing everything for herself even if it ends up helping others.
The only difference is we as players knew how the plague worked.
If they add that sylvanas and only she knew this big secret pandemic then it’s an ex machina and would be a copout.
To all those saying the culling of Strat was evil, tell me which scenario is the evil one and which is the good one.
- You leave the people alone as they shortly all die horrifically and are raised as an undead army that sweeps across the land killing many times more people.
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- You mercifully put the people down before they can die to the undead plague and prevent them from killing more people.
I say it was Jania and Uther who committed the evil act by abandoning these people to their fate and forcing the weight of doing this all on Arthas and his men.
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I’m okay with you not forgiving them if it means I get to see a Arthas Redemption story.
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Do we have proof that the people killed wouldn’t raise as undead anyway? Last I checked Stratholme was full of undead people? If he killed them all to prevent them from becoming undead, where did they come from?
I am fairly sure that the PC along with Arthas were not able to get to everyone before they started turning. You were then basically overrun with undead and had to escape.
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Culling stratholme wasn’t wrong, it was just dark.
The mercenary betrayal was screwed up though yeah.
You could redeem him but things would still be awkward. Almost every person he met would require a “Oh by the way, real sorry about your parents/brother/uncle/town/etc, I really wasn’t myself for a while there.” sort of conversation.
THing is , it’s being shown that the helm is really controlled by the jailer and only 1 has had enough power to resist him and that was Bolvar because of his connection to the light . This is why Sylvanas refers to him as a usurper and tells him he is un worthy to wear it . Where Ner’zhul and Arthas were both flawed characters.
People say Arthas was in control based on what Chronicles 3 . Well in his mind he was but do the controlled know if they are being controlled.
Did Arthas desrve the Maw or maybe somewhere else like Revendreth. I mean Kel’thuzad got Maldraxxus.
I’m not worried about them redeeming Arthas… Sylvanas, however…
There is also a part in the Halls of Reflection dungeon where the spirit of Uther in Frostmourne tells Jaina the part of the Lich King that is still Arthas may be the only thing keeping the scourage at bay
THis dungeon was released in patch 3.3 the Tirion quest was before that.
I want N’Zoth redeemed so to hell with this nonsense that there are irredeemable souls in WoW.
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What the people saying this was evil don’t get is ,Arthas was looking out for the needs of the many when he culled Stratholme. Granted it lead to him eventually destroying the many because of his trip to Northrend but at the time it made sense to sacrifice a few (a city ) to save the many, a nation (Lordaeron)
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If you actually know anything about Arthas, you’d know that he actually has a decent reason to be redeemed.
Everything Arthas did leading up to him picking up Frostmourne was done to save his homeland from the Scourge. He saw the undead and Mal’ganis as the true enemy and he was willing to pay any price to stop them so he could save his people.
But after he picked up Frostmourne and it claimed his soul, that’s when the Lich King started influencing him. He didn’t ‘turn’ overnight and immediately start attacking his men. After he picked up the blade he wandered the frozen wastes of Northrend for months and during that time the blade continued to influence him until he did nothing more than what the blade told him to do.
By the time he returned to Lordaeron, he was nothing more than a thrall of the Lich King. Not mindless like the others, but a thrall none the less. When he put on the helmet, that was pretty much the ‘end’ of Arthas Menethil. At that point Ner’zhul had complete control.
I was reading the wiki about him and seems to me this dude don’t like to listen. Didn’t that Dwarf and the Guardian thing warn him abt that sword. Also read a seer warning him about something too.
Seems like a his way or highway type of deal.
There are a few people using illiden as an example but if you look at the story as given to us in legion Illiden does not have a Redemption arc, he does grow as a character but that happens in stories, he never shows any regrets or apologises for past action in fact it’s more we come round to his way of thinking a little more.
Where if you quested through ice crown you see the struggle Arthas has inside and the remorse shown as soon as the crown is removed from his head, Arthas wants to be better so it’s something we might see.
Agreed, not every bad guy needs a good guy redemption story, and it makes it pretty meaningless when they get one. People like Illidan and Kael’thas can pull it off, because they were pretty gray characters who have a history of doing the wrong thing for the right reason. But characters like Arthas and Gul’dan need to just be evil.
As far as story is concerned, Arthas had every opportunity to turn away from being evil and refused to do so, ignoring everybody screaming at him that he was becoming a monster.
Are you new to the “spin the wheel of conclusions” era of the lore?
Please believe Arthas will end up the new chief of orgrimmar and will marry a transgender mechagnome in hopes to end the war.