…killed the faction barrier (and allowed us to group and even guild up together) that didn’t completely destroy the entire lore of the game…
Would you be for it? Or are you too entrenched in your hatred of the other side, horde or alliance to allow for this?
IF (and that’s a big if) they could find a way to resolve all the conflicts we have in a manner that would satisfy 90% of the playerbase and still allowed for Horde vs. Alliance pvp matches, I myself would be for it. I have too many friends on both sides, and I’m tired of needing to switch characters to be able to play with everyone.
And while we’re at it, if you’re not for it now, maybe explain what it would take to allow horde and alliance to group together in the future.
I understand emotions are running hot on both sides, so if you’re against it 100%, tell me that too!
I wanted the factions to come down a long time ago. I have never quite been sold on the idea of faction conflict and was never the reason why I was invested in the Warcraft lore in the first place.
The faction language barrier has been canonically destroyed since at least Mists, considering many faction leaders and grunts could clearly communicate with Anduin. The only reason it’s not removed now is because it’d be endless *****ing and ego-stroking in starting zones.
I’m bifactional, so I would have no problem with this. And in truth, I think recontextualizing the game as something beyond “red vs blue” would give them the opportunity to actually develop the world again.
Also, cross-faction guilding would allow my impoverished Horde toons to reap the rewards of my Alliance-side guild vault.
The only good Orc is a dead one. No compromise, no peace until the enemies of the Alliance are eliminated.
But in all seriousness I would be for it because from a mechanical standpoint it makes sense to be able to group up and do raids or PvE content with the other faction for the long term health of the game. I think World PvP and BGs can also exist for those enlisting in war mode, it could still be Horde vs Alliance with the language barrier and stuff.
Legion did a good job showing cross-faction cooperation. The characters felt like individuals with their own thoughts and feelings, not just parts of the great Alliance/Horde hiveminds. But that was before the HORRIFIC acts committed in BFA.
If they could find a way… maybe. But I don’t know if such a way exists.
The easiest way to do it, without getting rid of the factions is to simple NOT have our characters be aligned with a faction in story at some point.
Something happens and all the player charcters just become factionless “Adventurers” which allows them to play together. Then when they want to pvp, they ‘sign up’ to fight for the faction as a merc or something.
I am all for allowing cross faction grouping regardless of the story or other people’s feelings. If they left everything the same, and just allowed all races to party up for dungeons, raids, and guilds, that would be fine by me.
It would enhance the pie but cheapen the pvp. It’s not that I would hate it but I would care a lot less about WoW. I would feel like an old soldier put out to pasture and told they are no longer needed.
It would feel like a different game, one that I would have to build a new connection to and I don’t know if I would put forth the effort into it.
I understand this sentiment. And I know how they could have fixed it pretty easily. Just… leave it the way they presented it in the BfA reveal. Let us, the alliance, attack the undercity first for what sylvanas did at the Arathi forsaken/human meet and greet. Then, in response, they take ashenvale. Hell, even have them burn the tree. It’d make us mad, but at least it’d be in response to what we, the alliance, did, and not completely stupid.
Thrall, yes. Whatever they did to try and make him the neutral World Shaman he still puts the Horde before anything else so who could trust him? I’m conflicted with Baine, he’s obviously an Alliance sycophant but it bugs me he’s such a spineless traitor.
You know, I don’t pvp and just hopes it goes away eventually. but this cuts at my heart strings because that’s exactly what happens when the war is over. Certainly happened with the Vietnam vets.
I don’t know how old Baine is, because i don’t know much about tauren biology. I’ll assume he’s pretty young-ish in game though. He finally did grow a spine the patch before last, and did something to finally make me as a half-hordie (on my tauren paladin) proud.
I think he’s growing as a character.
As far as thrall goes, i’ve always loved him. Even when they were forcing him down our throats, he was still one of my favorite characters. He wasn’t really complicit in the burning of teldrassil, so what specifically that he did would make you want to kill him?
The latest in-game cinematic shows a very torn soul though, who regrets everything he did and wishes he could take it all back. He thinks of himself as a failure and considers himself responsible for everything. It’s why he tried to just escape and live off in exile.
no, cause there is no way to brake this satisfactorily
they can make things pure gameplay, like allow friends and people make groups to do instanced content or quests in warmode off, or a third faction just for lore flavor, so people can “deflect” and do content with both factions
Regret doesn’t change what you’ve done. Otherwise we’d forgive Saurfang and everything would be peachy.
He’s the Horde’s first warchief and instigator of everything they’ve ever done. Garrosh, Sylvanas, all came from him. He’s not my ally no matter how much he wishes it would happen.
