Yes, that’s the kind of lore they came up with to slap them on the Horde.
Lets also ignore that Helves became best friends with the forsaken after almost suffering genocide at the hands of undead. Chums with the Trolls they have had wars with for centuries and the Orcs that have been openly hostile previously.
So what, stay as a singular force to get no aid from the Alliance and still take on the Horde and Scourge or further be used/betrayed by the Alliance?
Brilliant ideas.
Better to join past enemies than try to fight two forces and the Scourge.
lol most weren’t around that long, only the trolls were
and specific tribes at that
more importantly it’s more recent that the humans tried to imprison and execute a huge chunk of their race…including their leader
AFTER one of those pesky humans ran an army through their home and massacred their people
attempted (and failing) wars aren’t the same thing as extremely successful attempts
That is a side effect of years of dealing with people like the one that can be seen earlier in this same thread, just covering his ears and repeating the exact same thing multiple times.
I often engage on this topic reasonably, but I’m currently feeling worn out about the absurdity.
You mean the lore from WC3? Yeah, how dare they make stuff up before WoW came out.
it was in wc3…and when your species just had a human run your city through…then proceed to have the humans that pretend to be your allies get your leader and 15% of your people killed again
you tend to think twice about allying yourself with them…even if the hand of friendship was once an enemy
like trolls
the undead aren’t seen as having will, arthas was.
different tribe, and it’s still alot easier to forgive an old enemy than it is that less than a decade sought to destroy everything you had
This doesn’t give an excuse to be rude when discussing this subject though.
There is a mega thread ready for the rest of you if you really wish to discuss the subject. Otherwise we don’t need more of these threads y’all.
The Sin’dorei are the Quel’dorei. The “race” you want to play has existed since the Burning Crusade expansion. Come home knife ear.
You personally have seen me engaging with you when it comes to other topics in a completely civil manner, so you are aware I approach civility with civility.
This topic has lost all of it a long time ago, specially when people are flat out repeating the exact same thing over and over… and I’ve been involved in it since 2012… I think I have a reason to be weary of it.
The cognitive dissonance is real. Are Kul-tiran not human? Are mechagnomes still gnomes? Are dark Iron dwarves not dwarves? Are lightforged Dranei no longer Dranei? The list goes on etc
I am not directing that at you, but you gave the reasoning behind people’s sentiment towards the subject. I just really wish it could be put to rest, but sadly we never will.
I don’t like seeing pros act like jerks towards the anti crowd and well as vise versa.
dude, the guy is claiming that the sin’dorei and the queldorei aren’t the same race…
no one has ever claimed that any of those are different races
when people ask for the wildhammer to be playable they’re not asking for a separate RACE of dwarves, but rather to allow us to play other factions of the species
being different factions with a race that are playable is alot different than saying that they’re different races
and literally all of those have more differences than the two Sin’dorei and the Quel’dorei
the kul tirans have had a long history of complete independence
the light forged are for all intents and purposes stripped of every conflict and belief they have
the dwarven tribes are so vastly different that they’ve gone to war countless times against each other
mechagnomes are an offshoot of gnomes, they’ve been seperated for a very…very long period of time (400 years) they share similarties but their beliefs and even their biology thanks to tinkering are different
high elves have been in a political disagreement for a grand total of less than 50 years
in a race known to live (even without immortality) hundreds of years and with a (by literally all accounts) habit of not freaking changing quickly
all races of elves we’ve seen have held freaking pointless grudges longer than they’ve been “separate”
it’s like saying that the republican party has changed because for a grand total of 4 years they don’t entirely agree with what some in the party say
the only physical difference between them is an eye color, one that lore wise doesn’t even exist all the time because the sunwell isn’t corrupted anymore
So you’re saying a shiite is interchangeable with a sunni? Same biology.
What about the 15 years of experience players have had with High Elves on the Alliance?
Do those not matter at all?
People can quote 10 thousand years all they want. Those mean nothing. What matters is player exposure, and High Elves have had plenty of that.
All the BS in the world won’t erase factual history, and that’s the thread that people will continue tugging at as they have since WoW’s inception, especially now that Allied “races” have broken down all barriers.
The argument that High Elves/Blood elves are the same race so therefore shouldnt be playable is debunked by the fact that there are many different playable “same race” options as precedents and the fact that Quel-dorei and Sin-dorei have significant cultural/political/geographical differences similar to the ilk of Wild hammer dwarves, Highmountain Tauren etc
They’ve been on The Horde since TBC though?
high elves are already playable on horde. they were never going to be able to give the alliance a complete copy of a horde race. thats why the only way for the high/blood elf model to cross the faction boundary was to give it a new twist
alliance high elves would, for the vast majority of the player base, just be offering the same option twice. hard to get excited by that. it would only have pleased the tiny band of highly vocal roleplayers on the forums who want to be a legolas next to their own ironforge based gimli and aragorn in stormwind and everybody knows it
I dunno how I should look at your trolling.
Quel’Dorei and Sin’dorei are both the same because they are the same people!
And also, I have seen you say the same thing 4 times to this post, would you also like some spam in your sandwich?
High elves for the horde, nice joke bro
both are still muslims, and no they’re not the “same biology” they’re religions.
Quel’dorei and Sin’dorei refers to the race…the people
it’s not a religious or political sect
that doesn’t make them a difference race.
exactly, so why are you trying to say that some individual in a race aren’t of the same race?
being for playable high elves on the alliance isn’t the same as making the claim they’re a different freaking race
that’s not the argument i made at all ya nit, i merely told someone in this thread stating they’re not the same race that they are infact the same race…and not agreeing on a name doesn’t negate that fact