If PvP is about Skill?

Give it a try. Nobody’s going to give you a hard time. Just fun games. I think as long as you’re not TC or base sitting you don’t even need to talk, just be able to listen.

We have a disc dedicated towards learning. Went 5-5 tonight with low exp people from the forums here. Everyone had fun and learned. Here’s the link: https://discord.gg/8udzgk5XrU

The Pro’s then don’t play against the College teams!

Technically college basketball teams have exibition matches with overseas pro teams before regular season play, pretty often.

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The NFL does not play against NCAA stop justifying ridiculous actions.

Excellent point.

Give them weapon mogs that look badass like Thunderfury or something else.

The glad mount looks AMAZING this season. That’s a pretty damn good reward. It looks as good as a raid achieve that takes months to get and ppl got it in a week by winning lots of games. Not sure how ppl dont’ see how amazing this mount is as a reward.

Titles…

Giving a HUGE gear gap that is gated behind RATING… is STUPID.

Betters players beat worse players, so they can get better gear than them, and then beat them even harder.

Makes lots of sense…

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Yes, you beat a Raid geared team with your RBG alt team, we are talking about Raid geared and High Arena geared players in Random Battlegrounds, stop changing the context of the argument to suit your narrative.

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I was queueing with randoms from LFG. I did what you couldn’t in considerably harder circumstances.

1 BG? You’re so awesome…

Jesus this. I am so tired of this nonsense narrative that RPG or MMO is synonymous with gear curves when several examples of both that don’t fit that mold can be pointed toward.

BGs still require quite a bit of skill. iLVL matters in the big team fights, but for all the fringes positioning and communication is still king. I’d say its much improved in that aspect from the resilience days when 1 player could carry an entire a 10-man BG.

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I agree with everything you said here. A lot of people use gear as an excuse for losing a fight but I really don’t care about them. I care about the fights where gear actually can make the difference.

Good post. On a team level they require coordination and intelligence more than fighting skill which is why an undergeared team can beat a geared team in the BGs. Of course, there are also often isolated fights in a BG which require “fight” skill.

Note: If the teams are evenly matched in terms of coordination, experience/intelligence and mechanical skill then the geared team should win.

Gear mattering in rated PvP is just stupid. When I fight you I shouldn’t have a massive advantage against you because I beat some random guys last week that you had nothing to do with.

That’s like a ranked League game starting and I get to start with Black Cleaver and Ninja Tabis while you only get to start with Doran’s blade, while I proceed to smash you in lane. All because I beat some random last week.

I’m fine with anything goes in unranked PvP. But in ranked it is simply just stupid.

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The problem is that they won’t ever do this. The very SECOND they implement split PvPs like this, the one that has people with 10k healthpool advantages will VANISH INTO THIN AIR OVERNIGHT and we both know it.

The bad ones will probably vanish, yeah. The ones who prefer an even playing field in ranked/rated environments will stick around though. Anyone can check my gear and see that I’m advocating against my own interests here. I have no problem obtaining gear. I would just rather ranked/rated pvp be purely about skill and teamwork. Gear flexing should be left in random BGs and skirmishes.

PvE is still there for people that want to gear flex.

Perhaps they should explore a different system entirely for PvP. Unlocking additional options for PvP talents for instance. Or unlocking the ability to customize your stats to a greater degree. But iLVL being fixed would be great for the competitive nature of PvP.

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Partially true, the team even if pugs is only as strong a its weakest link, and if those links are all 184 geared pvpers compared to 200 ilvl raid / arena geared players the geared team has a huge advantage.

Yes, agreed, they’ll win all the team fights.

AMEN! QFT!