If PvP is about Skill?

Blasphemy. From what others have said on here that is quite impossible. Gear > *

However your evidence is validated. :slight_smile: The problem is the person who disagrees with you doesn’t do anything over 1k rating at a 44% win rate on a WW monk in arenas.

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RBGs sure ain’t

One of our disc priests was 160 ilevel ;D

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That’s cute.

Apparently when a single person agrees with me that means they are wrong or bottom of the barrel players while you take the first person who agrees with you to prove your point.

That’s a 1300 xp BG which is the same xp as a yolo group +/- about 200 points that rocks sub 190 gear, their experience doesn’t mean that magically all other experiences that are the opposite are magically invalid.

The meta is unbalanced, the gear disparity is real and no matter how many fringe experiences you can bring up, there’s 10 more posts that complain about the opposite.

You can kick and scream about player skill and rating, but this game is thankfully balanced around casuals and changes will happen or people will leave.

Pikaboo is doing arenas right now on a new WW monk with low gear and still beating like all the higher ilvl teams with random players. :slight_smile:

I’m sorry you can’t justify your poor performance as a gear disparity issue.

Your point is AUTOMATICALLY invalidated from lack of ANY evidence. Not a single piece. At least Fading provided something. :slight_smile:

Yeah?

Well Usain Bolt is running a sub 1 minute mile as you’re reading this beating almost every other human in the world.

I’m sorry you can’t justify not being able to run faster than the fastest human alive as a physical issue.

Your point is AUTOMATICALLY invalidated from lack of ANY logic or common sense. Not a single piece. :slight_smile:

I will repeat myself once again.

Deflection from the actual topic.

Some people can’t actually back up their claims :woman_shrugging:

You couldn’t even back up a claim that you had a post more popular than my account.

Saying it got my deleted by Blizzard is a deflection and a lie, regardless of what you believe there is no objective truth to what you say while everything I said is backed by facts and logical reasoning.

Go ahead and give me a screenshot of that post or literally and kind of proof beyond you just typing it out hoping that someone is a big enough sucker to buy into it.

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Topic is PVP skill, yet some how we are talking about forum likes?

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If asking for proof for a claim you made is deflection then you’re the troll, not me.

I’ll let you have that one. I’m not deflecting :slight_smile:

I can’t prove that claim which I have admitted multiple times. The post was deleted by Blizzard. I didn’t care enough about it to take a screen shot. :woman_shrugging:

However your claims about PVP balance CAN be proven, and you still don’t provide a single piece of evidence.

Not only do you not provide evidence, you invalidate anyone else who brings you evidence that proves you are wrong.

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I’ve provided multiple pieces of evidence that you ignored.

Low viewership starting from WoD to BfA, and SL seeing a spike in PvP viewership not in any actual serious skill-based content rather the FoTM videos and guides on how to abuse the unbalanced system as evidenced by the ladder and how all of it is filled with the classes/specs that every video show cases.

Check Socialblades or Twitch metric sites and the proof is in the patterns, you can analyze viewership spikes/drop offs based on expansion years and see how profitable the scene is when the game was balanced and received well (TBC/WoTLK/MoP) compared to now (WoD/Legion/BfA).

SL gear disparity is due to rating locked gear, and this is the first expansion to cut off the casual player’s progression to getting the gear that can put them on the same playing field as the high end Arena players.

A good example at how bad the disparity is making an alt and realizing that at a fresh 60, 160 - 171 iLevel, you are 10 - 15k HP lower than most of the Random BG players. You can’t 1v1 anyone, you can’t fight without dying in globals and you’re just fodder to players who have more time invested in the game.

This is not fun for a new player who has never PvPed or a veteran player whose maybe trying to get into the scene, you can’t even learn anything in scrims because everyone has a 15+ iLevel advantage over everyone due to pollution of PvE gear as well which was another promise by Blizzard that turned out to be a lie.

When the game is so imbalanced and the gear matters so much, someone whose playing a FoTM class/spec with PvE/PvP hybrid gear can hit insanely high HP pools while being able to abuse their over tuned kit.

Can this be outplayed? Yes.

Can a majority of players outside of the minority do it? No.

Balance changes are made to please the majority and not the minority. You can keep trying to call me out for low rating, but my proposed changes will be far more accepted and most likely pushed into the game than yours because my perspective benefits the people instead of the few.

I still don’t see the evidence.

Low viewership could be that the game is old, more and more people who originally played it are becoming busy and moving on with their lives.

This type of game, regardless of balance may not attract the younger and newer audience.

So many factors could be the reason for low viewership. You are making assumptions based on factual evidence such as viewership. You can’t connect these dots. You haven’t done a study, or have any actual evidence to connect the dots.

You also state that the majority of players outside of the minority can’t overcome such obstacles. There is no evidence of that.

There are billions of factors you just completely ignore and you make it seem so cut and dry when it isn’t.

You also don’t even know why balance changes are made. Rumor has it balance changes are on a cycle to make certain things FOTM to force people to play more by rerolling. If the Balance changes were truly for the majority then most wouldn’t need to reroll and this would have little benefit to Blizzard.

I’m sorry, I can’t believe you just said that. :rofl:

Do you think all these people complaining about class imbalance and gear disparity are doing it because they couldn’t overcome some artificial obstacle designed by incompetent devs?

People are rightfully fed up with the state of PvP and the whole “It’s not BfA” is wearing off as Shadowlands is just as grindy and time gated if not worse for the casual and new player than any expansion before.

Literally nothing about Renown, Torghast or PvP/M+/Raiding rewards your time. The loot is scarce, gear is far too important and some classes have extremely undertuned specs while others have extremely overtuned ones.

Again you can disagree and argue all you want, but these are facts and experiences that many people are actively having as we’re discussing this.

Still no evidence. You can’t prove that it’s not a simply a skill issue.

The forums are a horrible place to actually gauge anything. This is a very small fraction of the actual playerbase. A few threads from low rated players, who have never progressed over 10 years with many different types of gearing systems.

I don’t blame Blizzard, I blame the players.

But you have absolutely no evidence to say otherwise. :woman_shrugging:

Um, well
 akshually, he has never run fast enough for a sub minute mile. At his fastest it would’ve been a 2 minute and 9 second mile.

Pika running with a 200 ilvl 2k 3v3 rated ret paladin partner playing in the 2v2 1600 bracket on stream right now.

Pika has been around 175 ilvl for the majority of those games, and he also has no legendary. People on here said it’s not possible to get over 1400 with sub 200 ilvl.

The feeling is mutual. You still haven’t provided a single piece of evidence. :woman_shrugging:

“It sucks not having gear. I can’t do any damage.
Once I have some gear we can start winning some games.”

“GG dude. Thank you for the carry” - whisper to pally.

You sound like a fan. Do you watch his stream?
Your boy has said like 100 times on here how much gear matters.