Edit 2: 90% of people here missed the point… You can brag about your HPS only if your damage taken is relatively close by to your self healing/absorb. IF you have 100k hps and are taking 200k damage per second (after mitigation) then your 100k hps is worthless next to the 20k hps I do while taking 45k damage per second (after mitigation). I don’t like to use all caps but maybe thats the only way to get this point across. I AM NOT INSULTING DKS OR DHS. IF YOU ARE A DK OR DH THAT DOES HIGH HPS WHILE TAKING LOW DAMAGE, EVENING IT OUT TO BE SELF SUFFICIENT… YOU ARE AWESOME. AND YOU ARE NOT WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT IN THIS POST. IF YOU ARE A DK OR DH THAT DOES HIGH HPS WHILE TAKING INSANELY HIGH DAMAGE AND THEN BLAMING YOUR HEALER FOR DYING WITHOUT REALIZING YOUR FAILURE TO PROPERLY MITIGATE DAMAGE MADE IT SO YOUR HPS WAS POINTLESS AND NOT BENEFICIAL… THEN YOU ARE EXACTLY WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT IN THIS POST.
I just want to clear something up for all the blood dks and vengeance demon hunters out there. If you heal for 50k hps on a pull and outheal your healer… remember to look at your damage taken before you rag on your healer… your class is built to take damage and heal it back. So if you are taking 90k damage per second. and healing 40k hps then you are taking an effective 50k damage per second… sure you are healing 40k per second which looks great on paper… but you are taking 90k a second so it doesnt even matter. My prot pally in +15’s takes around 40-45k damage per second while healing 20-25k per second… So yea I wont beat the healer in hps… but I am effectively taking MUCH less damage than you are.
So please… do not brag about about hps as a blood dk or vengeance demon hunter unless you are willing to pair it with bragging about how low damage you took as well. Taking 50k effective damage per second after mitigating your self healing out is not good… its actually really bad… so stop bragging.
Edit: Seems a lot of people are misunderstanding the central point of this. I am not complaining about certain classes having more hps… I am not complaining about them merely talking about their hps. I am complaining about them not understanding that hps means nothing until it is compared to the damage you allowed yourself to take. So before you brag about 40k hps… make sure you aren’t taking 100k dps. Because that’s actually not good. I also want to add that I have seen plenty of Demon Hunters and Death Knights with greattt damage taken/hps ratios. 50k hps next to 70-75k damage taken per second is still greatt. I realize classes work different so a prot pally mightve only healed 20k hps there while taking 40-45k dps and would be equally as effective. For arguments sake someone could have 400k hps self healing while taking 420k-425k dps and their healthbar would move at the exact same speed as both of my other examples. So…
TL;DR- Look at your damage taken before you brag about your healing. Subtract your healing done from your damage taken and you will find out how much of an asset/burden you really were for your team.
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I mean prot Pali worst tank in the game mostly, but yah, I flex mad hps
I actually prefer the tanks to heal themselves.
And the DPS.
I want to /follow and tab out to YouTube until it’s loot time.
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Both classes are built to get hit ford tough, and heal it back up… so… you don’t want them bragging about their healing unless they take low damage… but… then they would be not healing it up so wouldn’t be healing so…
Can someone translate this for me?
Also… what Blood DK or Vengence DH is bragging about their HPS??? 
Well that was funny to read.
Prot paladins are still terrible right now and the weakest tank.
Maybe he means out healing the healer. Been there before but it is usually when the tank is overpowered as far as the group goes.
eh its just part of the kit blood dk and vengeance have way way less armor that prot war or pally and also don’t have access to shield. that’s why they have higher parry and stuff. I agree the two specs always flex hps but I don’t think theyre playing their class wrong if theyre letting themselves drop a little lower so they can get a big chunky heal. Theres also a ton of modifiers like talents azurite etc that increase the healing by more than what the tooltip says so its not always a net loss in damage. That’s why blood dk was so good for thrash tank on fetid devourer. So I don’t think a pally saying oh I take this much damage and only heal this much back is really relevant that’s the playstyle differences between them.
I mean… i guess, wow has a big community and it takes all types
Just seems like a odd thing to rant about you know?
pick your poison and scroll thru the forums, you will find whatever you are looking for.
True enough…
the /moan one is still my fav
Well then can my DH tank brag about doing more DPS than you? By 10k actually.
@Unstasle False… You are just relaying information you heard without any actual experience in the matter.
@Spreckle, you didn’t even read my post. You have to heal the demon hunter with 50k hps more than you have to heal the prot paladin with 20k hps. Because the Demon Hunter is taking 100k dps while the prot paladin is taking 45k dps. So you are having to single target heal the Demon Hunter 50k hps while healing the prot paladin 25k hps… I hope that wasn’t too complicated for you.
@Tyche Not sure why you are accepting translations from people that clearly don’t understand what the post is saying. Both classes are built for it yes. The thing is a pally that is taking 45k damage per second and healing 20k hps is being A LOT MORE effective than a blood dk taking 80k damage per second and healing 40k per second. The healer needs 25k hps for the pally and 40k hps for the blood dk… the blood dk can sit there and brag about their hps… but they are more of a burden for the team with all that damage taken. I’m saying that people don’t understand how to read combat statistics in a logical way. They just look at a number, see that it is higher than someone else, and brag about it. And yes, this happens often.
@Zoumz Grats for talking about something you know literally nothing about. I would love to see your details meters that show how much effective damage you take in +15-20 keys next to all that juicy healing… Because 60k hps self healing means nothing if you are taking 120k dps.
@Alael Partly yes… I have seen it often where a tank will blame the healer for dying. And here’s me on the sidelines pointing out that sure the tank had 45k hps… but he also took 110k dps… meaning he wasnt using defensives correctly at all.
@Tempertantrm Not sure why “the tooltip” is what you think I am measuring anything by… It is absolutely relevant if you have x amount of hps self healing and x amount of damage taken… hps self healing counts absorbs too. So a lot of warrior abilities can get them pretty high in hps too. The reality is… I’ve seen blood dks that do 40k hps and take 65k dps… I’ve also seen blood dks do 40k hps and take 110k dps… There is literally nothing you can say that will lead to believe that there is not a difference between the two. My arguement is that HPS is an irrelevant stat until it is compared to the overall damage you were taking. I’ve seen Demon hunters healing for 50k hps and taking 70k dps, I’ve also seen demon hunters healing for 50k hps and taking 120k dps. There is absolutely a difference between the two and how they are playing. As well as how useful they are as a frontline.
@Cantaa I mean in 9/10 cases… yea absolutely. If you do more dps than me… that’s pretty straightforward. I mean nowadays most tank dps comes from RNG twilight dev procs so I might argue that. But dps is a pretty straightforward stat, so sure talk about your dps. The only real variable that goes into dps is RNG twilight devs and how often you are targetted with mechanics that prevent your dps (ex: getting targetted with every single briny bubble on Ashvane and then people wondering why your dps was a little lower). But there is no other measurable stat we can look to combat your dps. For healers it is overhealing. You see a healer with insane hps numbers… thats great… then you find out 90% of it was overhealing… Or you find a tank with high hps… that’s great… then you find out he is also taking ungodly amounts of damage making that high hps actually useless compared to a tank that is doing less healing but also taking MUCH less damage. And these are things that can be measured with tangible numbers within apps such as Details! or Recount.
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So don’t you think the one that’s doing better is playing their class better and maybe deserve to flex on their hps or general skill for a second? Never hurts the group to compliment the people youre playing with.
It’s not you. The forum is incapable of understanding nuance.
I dont see a problem with the DH doing 100k hps and not needing a healer to survive the pull when you will do 50k hps and die 20seconds later.
Unfortunately, I think it is you that doesnt understand.
Yes they take more damage but they are more self sufficient. This in turn allows healers to focus more on the group and not the tank, or do dps.
They play differently than other tanks, instead of actively mitigating they heal themselves through damage. It’s a different playstyle and YOU AS THE HEALER MUST ADAPT.
So my friend, it is you that doesnt understand the concept, so this post is just you ranting about your lack of understanding of concept
Wait, people are strawmanning you? On these forums? These scholarly forums?
@Edna Lol… yea… maybe this says more about my insanity that I keep coming back expecting something different.
@Thundahstahm I realize this. And yet I continue to try to find ways to coherently convey things… It’s either failure on my part or insanity… or both… lol.
@Tempertantrm Yes… absolutely… When tanks play well I compliment them for sure… I healed a DK in a 15 recently who healed himself for average 45k per second and took 65k damage per second over the whole run. I complimented him. But the initial cause of this post was a DH who died on a pull and blamed the healer (I was playing my rogue) and then left. The DH had 50k hps overall, but had 125k damage taken per second… This guy didn’t deserve a medal or a compliment. He deserved to be called out for not understanding that his 50k hps was pointless because of how much damage he was taking alongside it.
@Castielxd Nope… I don’t either. If you wouldve read my post you might realize that. What you don’t seem to understand is that I dont need a healer to survive either, but with only 20k hps… Because I am only taking 40-45k damage per second on average… So if you are taking 150k damage taken per second on average and healing 100k hps… you are effectively not helping your healer near as much as me with only 20k hps… does that make sense?? If you are able to take 120k damage per second while healing that 100k hps… than more power to you… you are not who I am talking about in this post.
@Brozzoxd You sir CLEARLY are the one that does not get the point I am trying to make. It is ABSOLUTELY obvious that you are choosing to take offense to this rather than speak about it rationally. If you are taking 120k damage per second… and healing 60k per second… you are not self sufficient. If you are taking 80k damage per second and healing 60k per second… you are a lot more self sufficient. The problem is that most of you will only look to see that 60k rather than pairing how much damage you are actually taking alongside it. If your damage taken/healing ratio is low then you are doing well… if it is high… then don’t brag about your HPS because you have other problems to work on.