I don’t like the idea of being in melee range and healing. It drives me nuts. Happy for people who like it, but it’s not for me.
If I’m not going to do that, am I just going to be a sub-par Mistweaver? I recently got a Monk to 60 just for Brewmaster. Looking for some thoughts on healing.
No one actually fistweaves… at least not like they could in MoP.
Monks heal like any other healer from a distance and then some of them just because they like to, will take the talents needed to jump in for a few seconds melee it up, then when real healing is needed they jump back out of melee and heal just like anyone else.
The idea of a melee healer is dead. The idea of a dps healer is a disc priest and sometimes holy pally thing. While it should be a monk thing it is not… well not like it was.
That’s actually not true, we are considered a melee healer, and so we do get targeted by melee mechanics. Bosses like sludgefist will always link you with a melee. There are two different builds you can play right now, if you don’t wnna fistweave you can mistweave, but you’ll always be considered melee even if you don’t fistweave. Upwelling is pretty fun to play also, just know if ur ever raiding, melee mechanics CAN target you. Also if ur the only monk you do need to apply mystic touch
That’s not entirely true. Depending on what type of content, ATotM is a thing and it involves not just meleeing for a few seconds. In raid, you’re in melee most if not all the fight (if using that legendary, at least), using melee abilities a lot.
Show me one purple log with nothing but fistweaving and I’ll concede. Or even one log that is purple with 50% of it being fisting.
Otherwise it’s 100% what I said. You actually heal with essicence font and soothing mist. You jump in a few seconds every fight to melee fist it up but when raid damage goes out you have to heal like any other healer. And you don’t even need to jump into melee ever. You can see some really amazing logs were monks actually avoid melee at all costs but you can not find a single good log of monks only fisting.
You can’t find a purple log of ‘only fistweaving’ in MoP either, that’s not how fistweaving worked historically. Mistweaver has always used a heavy spell based healing, not damage to heal.
? Just because one isn’t dpsing the entire time doesn’t mean they aren’t fistweaving lol, that logic doesn’t make sense, when they spend the majority of the time in melee dpsing then they ARE fistweaving. Our only spell that converts dmg to healing anyways it’ll ATOTM which is a legendary, most of the higher logs are fistweaving, but upwelling which is the “ranged” build is also completely viable.
OP said he doesn’t want to fistweave. I pointed out monks don’t actually have to fistweave. They can kinda sorta get into melee and do some off healing but have to actually heal when real damage hits. That is 100% how it works.
So unless you can produce a 50-100% purple fist log, I’ll take my I’m correct trophy and walk way. Thank you.
Ok so…yes?
No it isn’t, sorry you don’t seem to realize how fistweaving has ALWAYS worked, but it doesn’t really matter, I’m sure your lvl 28 shaman is very worldly. But I completely fistweave, here are my logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/bleeding-hollow/serethia
Yea, you can play the upwelling build and be completely fine, however you will always be considered melee just because that makes how the game sees monk, so if there are any melee mechanics you will have to deal with them.
You said
“to jump in for a few seconds melee it up”
Then I said:
“That’s not entirely true… not just meleeing for a few seconds”
Then you said
“Show me one purple log with nothing but fistweaving and I’kll concede”.
See the problem?
Nobody is saying you can just melee the entire fight and nothing else. What I’m saying is that it’s not just “a few seconds”. It’s a lot of the time you’re meleeing.
But, you asked for a log. I just picked the first one I found on Mythic Nathria logs from Sire Denathrius using ATotM. It’s from Salorah. It’s a 98 parse log.
The code is “CP8HyGQgBqR6KnAV” (I don’t think we can post links).
I’m not an expert on looking at logs, but if I look at it, I notice the following:
So, that’s an example of how ATotM works. Nobody is saying you will be healing ONLY through meleeing things. It’s a whole playstyle that involves meleeing, extending your Renewing Mist buffs and capitalizing on them with Vivify. Fistweaving is not only hitting stuff for Smart Heal.
I did look at that log and most logs. And you know what the fistweaving part is always 17% of the hps or less… you know what the actual healing is… yup essence font, soothing, and renewing just normal healing.
So if I normally heal for 83% of a fight but dps melee heal for 17% most of the fight was spent … oh yeah healing normally.
Nobody is saying otherwise. ATotM is not, and should not be a big percentage of your total healing. That doesn’t mean the playstyle stops involving being in melee, meleeing stuff and doing stuff in melee.
A big part of Fistweaving involves using your melee abilities to improve the eficiency of your heal, and to recover mana in non damage intensive moments.
Again, what I’m answering to is to say it’s “meleeing for a few seconds”. It’s not.
You really aren’t gonna get anywhere with this guy, he’s not gonna accept what ‘fistweaving’ means for the spec. One of the many who think that disc is the model of how monk used to work.
Now, answering at OP, I’d say:
It depends on the content you want to do, but…
If you really hate fistweaving, like really, really hate it, I wouldn’t recommend you picking monk.
Yes, you can heal not touching Fistweaving, yes, there will always be builds that don’t involve going melee, but, at the end of the day, Mistweaver is a melee healer spec. We can go on and on about how we would change the spec, or whether the melee kit it has right now is enough or not. We can go on and on about in what expansion MW was “really” a melee healer in the perfect sense, but, again, this is a spec that involves being in melee and using some melee abilities for optimal performance.
It’s not a spec about healing through dealing damage in the same way Discipline is, though.
I would recommend you to look at healers that make you feel at home with their entire kit. It’s not the wisest decision to choose a spec that makes you feel uncomfortable, even if what makes you feel uncomfortable is not the entire spec. You don’t know which changes will come in the future, and maybe they just encourage you more to be in melee. In fact, 9.1 has some interesting buffs for Fistweaving.
I find it funny how the guy just only looks as flat healing values, and has actually zero idea just how much rising mist brings to the spec. Gonna be a wake up call when he finds out rising mist alone attributed to 17% of salorah’s total healing.
Seeing as you haven’t realized, I’ll inform you.
Logs do not show the value the extensions rising mist gives you when showing them on the meter, it only shows the proc healing from it, so the actual healing value from being melee is actually 26.88% of his total healing, and the entirety of the damage he gave to the raid.
You know another reason people prefer to play melee now, thicc?
Because fistweaving makes everything you do much more efficient.
Oh yeah btw, what logs show soothing mist doing a majority of healing without just tanking it?
You use EF and RM when fistweaving. You can drop RM and clip EF for more damage though but you lose so much healing.
Trying to use the argument that because EF and RM are higher in healing done on most fights that means fistweaving isn’t a thing is rather childish and implies you have 0 understanding on how that side of the spec functions.
To the OP, Upwelling is a viable option, albeit a bit more mana hungry. If you’re just getting accustomed to monk healing, don’t try to rely on Yu’lon as a cooldown at the start, the damn snake gobbles up large quantities of mana.
Upwelling with Tear of Morning is high tier HPS and affords you complete freedom to move about the encounter space for whatever mechanics need to be done. Don’t feel forced to fistweave to be a Monk healer because it certainly is NOT required.
However, it should be your first choice to turn to fistweaving if your raid depends on healers to deal sustained dps while healing, but most encounters are designed with healer DPS being a mere bonus, and not required.
As stated elsewhere, you will be targeted as if you were a Melee for many mechanics. This doesn’t change much, since the ideal spot for an Upwelling monk is between melee and ranged anyway, so it’s very managable (and sometimes extremely useful) to be considered melee.