if you want you can keep ignoring all the security, tos violations, exc that guild banks alts cause, I guess all of those issues are just my opinion.
we countered their reasons why they shouldn’t be added, they have yet to give a rebuttal on that counter.
None of which changes even slightly with the addition of guild banks.
All that changes with guild banks being put into the game is that: (this is directed more at the thread in general)
People don’t have to waste alts holding guild mats
People don’t have to account share in order to have access to guild mats
There is a log to show if the guild bank is being abused/looted by someone in the guild.
The guild is less likely to be robbed completely blind in the event of a guild collapse, or simply by the character in control of the bank rerolling and using teh former guild bank character to bankroll his new character…
I can’t think of a single instance or guild on my vanilla server where the guild bank wasn’t improperly used, abused, outright ninjad for personal gain, or even in one case outright stolen by an opposing guild (the player bribed the opposing guild for a raid spot by paying them the entire gbank)… In the vast majority of cases it was minor things like paying for mounts, or borrowing some mats to boost profession, but in others it was as simple as the guy holding the gbank realized he was untouchable in the guild as long as he had the gbank as a “hostage”, because all the items where already in his possession and all he had to do was gquit (this was the guy who ended up selling the entire bank to an opposing guild and basically caused his guild at the time to crash and burn)
I have yet to see a single rational argument against guild banks that has been presented. The #nochange meme spewers in this thread keep insisting that they’ve all made these super coherent and logical points of contention on the issue, but not a single damn one of them has actually managed to do so, and merely saying you’ve made an excellent point and then being completely and totally incapable of actually demonstrating that point only makes you look like a clown.
It’s tough to have a discussion with you since you immediately dismiss anything people say and just plow over it and say “well I have a counter argument”. You can have a counter argument for anything, doesn’t mean your counter is full proof.
This is classi wow, not classic+. We already have horrible post vanilla additions. This is just shaping up to look like Rift classic. It’s probably going to be a train wreck.
This is classic. But what it isn’t is vanilla 2004-2006. This project is ment to give the core vanilla game play mechanics and design philosophy a new time to shine, but it’s not meant to be a time machine.
Guild banks don’t disrupt the game play or design philosophy that was vanilla. And again inventory management was never a core gameplay mechanic by design or philosophy because from day one you had multiple loop hoals around it that blizzard to this day has not prevented from being used. Which in and of itself shows inventory management was not part of the core gameplay mechanics or philosophy.
Please note I’m referring to in town inventory management, which is the only place guild banks are able to be accessed.
Open world inventory management was a thing but guild banks have 0 effect on that.
They have “literally” said they want to recreate the game from 2004-2006. I quoted literally because I feel like it sounds like a college girl.
I do see your point tho man. It doesn’t change open world inventory management (I haven’t used that argument once btw). However, if this change is implemented then we have tbc elements, additionally a wrath element confirmed. Little changes will continue to creep in and make the game entirely different than the original.
Tfw your main thread isn’t getting as far as you’d like so you try a bit harder.
No, it’s not impossible to do so.
I have found that quoting a snippet tends to lead to pro guild bank advocates accusing me of “twisting people’s words”, even though I am quoting their own words.
Security? Guild banks are no more secure than guild bank alts. As has been noted, guild banks do not magically prevent theft and those precious guild bank logs prove nothing then than who withdrew items they had permission to withdraw. How can there be theft if you give a person permission to take something or if you give something to someone?
TOS violations? No one was forced to share accounts. Guild bank alts did not force people to share accounts. People CHOSE to willingly and deliberately violate those TOS and EULA by sharing accounts. Guild banks will not prevent people from sharing accounts in classic.
Access to guild resources? If you limit access to the guild bank, then you still have the “we have to wait for someone with access to be online to distribute those guild resources” issue. If you choose to be more open with your guild bank so people do not have to wait, now you’ve increased the number of people who can withdraw items.
Whatcha call those posts where you cut off half of other people’s words to change the context of what they said to support your view?
Didn’t someone just call you on that? LOL
Yet here we are.
Oh btw. Anyone with a grade 3rd grade reading comprehension level and is following a thread can see when people do this…
You know. You’ve been called on it enough. Lol
Same ol Ratsy.
You sure you’re not quoting the entire post to make it difficult for others to follow the thread?
In a desperate attempt to shut down conversations you don’t want to take place?
Same as you’re patented Rat-run-the-conversation-in-a-circle technique is designed to do?
Or the patented copypasta-hope-it-sticks-and-i’ll-use-lots-of-quotation-marks-ratfooie technique.
That’s what it looks like to me.
That was the point I was trying to make. I quoted a pro guild bank advocate’s own words, yet somehow I am “twisting those words” even though that pro guild bank advocate actually wrote those words.
Go figure. I guess nothing a pro guild bank advocate writes can be held against them, right?
You literally cut off half the sentence to twist the context of what he was saying …
You’re going to deny this? It’s in black and white.
Again.
Anyone can see this…
Because quoting
"
Guild banks we’re in vanilla
Through use, not design. "
Isn’t trying to change what was said?
You just tried to do that to me in another thread
You quoted half the sentence to change the meaning of it in your quote, then went on to say “guild banks we’re never in vanilla, your wrong I’m right” when I was never claiming the game designed guild banks we’re in vanilla, the USE of guild banks was through guild bank alts.
It’s HOW you cut quotes that can make all this difference in what your cutting quotes for.
Just as anyone can see that he wrote those words which I quoted.
Or, are you going to deny that he wrote those words?
Are you going to deny that the same poster has not previously made the claim that guild banks were in vanilla?
Did you or did you not previously make the claim that guild bank alts meant that guild banks were in vanilla without even bothering to try to hide your claim by using the “by use, not by design” qualifier?
But, I guess I will have to go back to quoting the entire post to avoid being accused of “trying to twist another poster’s words”.
I can do it to, to change the entire context of what you said.
Oh but anyone can go up and read what you said right?
I see it’s OK for you to do exactly what you accuse others of doing, though.
Why am I not surprised?
I’m looking for the actual post he got called in. What thread was it.
We’ve kind of bled these threads together.
Claiming guild banks we’re in vanilla through practice but not design because of the use of guild bank alts is completely different than saying “the current version of guild banks was in vanilla.”
You either need to work on your reading comprehension or stop trolling.
You are clearly trying to intentionally change what I said to mean something different. Kind of like how you took the Pandora’s box quote from blizzard out of context.
Just look at my post history, it’s the guild bank thread 9999… From the other no change zeliot.
Also I quoted you like that fesz to show what you did intentionally, as an example, not to use it as actual words you said