I dont and dont need them
addons for a 2003 engine is kinda silly, rotations are 1 or 2 buttons and debuffs to pay attention to are at most one.
My first classic 60 is an UD warrior which is definitely off meta as a non-PVP focused character. I did it because I like the UD aesthetics. Orcs are cool and all, but their shoulders are ridiculously large and Taurens are too big.
I was super close to rolling Troll because of their aesthetics, which would have put me on the meta for TPS due to berzerking.
Some people just don’t care about playing optimally in one way or another, that doesn’t make them bad that just means that they have other priorities for the game.
I mean, it’s like making a mage/priest as a human instead of a gnome/dwarf.
Gnome and Dwarf are both superior on paper, but some people just like the human aesthetic.
Edit: I condensed it all in one amazing comment for astounding readability. Aren’t i awesome? No, i’m not. I’m terrible. Nobody loves my horrible jokes/puns/quips or whatever. 
/j
Well how telegraphic the Classic boss attacks/spells exactly are we talking about?
Well how reliable is using the mob’s general direction as an indicator of being aggroed if the threat is a number threshold? 
To be fair, this isn’t a bad thing these days. Especially since they changed the BFA default UI.
cringes at the BFA default UI 
looks at his Bejeweled Addon on Classic and back at you
…What? 
It would be interesting to see raiding guilds intentionally going out of their way to experience the content without addon help and whatnot.
Like I am no asmongold fan or anything and barely know anything about him but I did watch the Classic beta and i kinda found that SM armory run he did very interesting. Completely underleveled etc.
Guess something akin in bwl would be fun to watch too.
Yes, but how many of us are playing retail? Do you really think that the huge spike in subs upon Classic’s release was due to a sudden interest in retail?
No, I think it was due to the literal other half of my post that you’re ignoring for some reason.
That’s because the other half of your post already supports the point I was making, so there was no reason to dispute it. After pointing out the many other flaws in BFA’s raid design, you’re still implying that Classic players are subbing for BFA. Make up your mind, please.
They arent hand hold addons, just addons.
Tons of guilds beat the content without them. Not sure where you think everyone does these things.
Are you suggesting Classic is hard without them?
I didn’t imply anything.
You literally cannot buy a “just classic” sub. No implication, just fact.
I always get a laugh out of people that are so insecure, they have to try and show how uber they are in a 15 year old game. They are such pro’s it is all so easy, no need for buffs, I Run Around Naked and Fight!
I phrased it poorly. This is what I meant:
Why didn’t more of us sub to retail prior to Classic’s release if the raid, raid, and more raid design is so appealing?
For me there’s only one add-on that I use that can influence my game play, and that’s a threat meter. There are to many outside variables to account for to not have it running.
In my honest opinion, you’re not endgame material without it. The rest I can do without.
counterpoint: if classic is so easy that you deliberately have to handicap yourself by taking off your gear and disabling addons in order to achieve any kind of difficulty, then maybe the content is indeed too easy?
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I’ll say it. A couple of weeks ago I pulled Firemaw and instantly realized my DBM wasn’t working and I had no Wing Buffet timers. We wiped. We did learn during that attempt how to do it without timers, but it definitely made me realize how much I rely on those crutches.
Are there players or guilds that clear content while using add-ons that cannot do so without them under otherwise identical circumstances? I would hypothesize that yes there are.
Add-ons do take information that is technically available and present it in a different way. The purpose of that being that by presenting information in a different format, it makes the information actually beneficial. Some people do just fine with the basic information, and some people could certainly learn to do so, but the add-on simplifies that information, making interacting with the game easier.
Imagine a dictionary that isn’t in alphabetical order. All the information is there. You can find anything you need. The add on is something that reprints the dictionary in alphabetical order. Same information, but easier to use. That way I won’t struggle as much to look up the definition of “internet troll”
Because in order to raid in BFA you have to do heaps and heaps of chores that aren’t fun in the slightest? Levelling your neck, getting essences, corruptions, cloak resist, etc.
The raid design is fine. Uldir was the weakest raid and it wasn’t bad, just generic. Daz’ralor was fantastic, as was the Nazjatar raid, and while I haven’t played it myself Nyolatha has been praised by all my friends who have.
Hell, if anything I’d say raid raid and more raid isn’t accurate because mythic+ is an avenue for pve gear and titanforging was removed. There’s no reason to do any raid but the highest teir of Nyolatha you can clear, and that’s not exactly a huge time commitment.
I dunno, you strike me as someone with very little actual experience with BFA. I’m not exactly singing it’s praises here; it does very few things right (questing/levelling experience and raid design, maybe M+ if you’re being generous).
Addon’s don’t do anything useful with the information given, like re-alphabetizing a dictionary. They don’t analyze the information and transform it into new information that is more helpful. In your dictionary example, an addon would just take the font size from 12 to 16. Or change the color of the font.
The closest thing are threat meters which simply scan the combat log and keep a tally if your damage…and while obnoxious to do manually, its not impossible to keep a very good idea of your own threat by simply filtering the combat log.
When folks say classic is easy they probably mean easy in comparison to X.
Are you going to argue that this version of MC is harder than another wow raid (non LFR)?
For some people, changing the font size from 12 to 16 actually does make reading easier.
I feel like you’re supporting my example by accident. Threat meters take information that is available, but “obnoxious to process manually” and make it readily accessible. Knowing your approximate threat level, whether by figuring it out yourself real time with combat logs, or with an ad on, makes the game easier. Add-ons make it easier to have that informational and therefore make the game easier.
*I fully appreciate that threat meters may not be the best example because threat meters are, at best, wonky, but trying to stay with the same example you used.
I fully admit that some people find addon’s ability to make known information more digestible does help them…but the addon itself isn’t doing anything to make the game easier. They’re just tweaking the cosmetics of the in game information all ready available to every person.
If you really want to argue that “bigger font makes the book easier to read for some”…sure I guess. But people are trying to argue here that “bigger font means the book is a simpler book.” The difficulty of the text or the content of the text has not been altered…its the same book.
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