That would have meant that there would have been two to three times the scourge units attacking the Sunwell from Eastern Lorderan.
Given that the scourge killed 90% of the Blood Elves… would ANY have survived without the culling? Like, a few dozen in the Silver Covenant, right? But no Blood Elves.
Just seems like that preventing that kind of genocide was a good move.
But I guess that makes me the bad guy :x
The saying back in the Vietnam days was: “But we had to kill all the people in the village to defend freedom and democracy”. You might want to do a search on “William Calley Jr.”
He was not judged as a “bay buy” based upon that one act. I mean it’s not like he did that one questionable act and then went on to be a pillar of light and justice. It was only the first step on his path to becoming a “bad guy”.
Over the total period of the fourth war, Sylvannas actions likely killed more people.
So if the problem is “killed innocent people” (who in Arthas’s case, were effectively already dead since they were infected with the plague), then Slyvannas is way, way worse.
It’s not like Teldrassil’s residents were a few minutes to hours away from dying from the plague. They were going to live for thousands of years.
Anyone not saying that Sylvanas was one of the bad guys of the expansion?
She’s got a redemption arc.
Her soul didn’t get disenchanted lol.
But she was still one of the bad guys?
Are you saying Arthas should have gotten a redemption arc?
Are we pretending that the culling of Stratholme are the only innocents killed?
We simply don’t know exactly how things would have played out if he had instead tried to save the people rather than go scorched earth. In the WarCraft 3 mission, every person in every house you broke into was infected and turned into plague zombies. What we don’t know is if that was representative of how severe the situation was or was purely for gameplay mechanics.
IF the truth of the matter is that every person in every house was infected, Arthas was right to do what he did. However, even afterwards in the game people are shown burning bodies and milling about the devastation. Jaina is there and being useless and decrying what Arthas had done when Medivh shows up to tell her to head West. So clearly, not EVERYONE was infected.
We’ll never know if it would have been better for Arthas to attempt to save the people or purge them. We can’t know, because Blizzard didn’t write that part in clearly.
I don’t think these two things are really comparable, lordaeron was facing a zombie apocalypse scenario.
If you crush someone’s skull BEFORE they turn into a zombie, they don’t turn- EVEN if they were going to.
That’s not the question. The question is if everyone who’s skull was crushed WERE going to turn into a zombie. And as I said, we’ll never truly know.
It’s ironic the knights of the silverhand who chose to follow uther, along with Jaina just left Arthas to go fight the scourge, assuming he would succeed. It was entirely possible Mal’ganis defeat Arthas in the streets, how stupid would they have felt then, hearing that their prized companion, future king of the land died defending said lands from a growing threat.
Arthas, Preventer of Complete Elven Genocide and Zombie Apocalypse
(also apparently the bad guy)
What do you mean? Of course they turned, it’s a wc3 mission.
Bruh, the Vietnamese aren’t a manufactured plague of undeath.
I blame Bolvar and Uther equally, with Varian gone Arthas should not have been left alone to make such a decision regarding the human kingdoms, the undead threat was not news to the mages of dalaran, they were well aware of Kel’thuzads scheming.
Were you around back then? A certain faction was telling us that the reason we had to be there was to protect the Vietnamese people from an economic system (invented in an English library) that they truly believed was a “manufactured plague of undeath”.
You can’t infect grain with communism, and you can’t catch a bunk political ideology from eating it either.
You can’t infect grain with communism… YET.
This is specifically where the makers of the story have said he “turned evil.”
The problem I see with it is, what was he supposed to do? The same developers who made this part of the story say “Flee to Kalimdore” but that is pie in the sky thinking. Arthas doesn’t know what is there, and there are no prebuilt fortifications to rely on. That would just be a delaying tactic when your enemy will be more powerful later and you won’t have the home ground advantage.
There is also the issue that the alliance at Hyjal only just barely defeated Archimonde. Had Arthas not done what he did, the Scourge would have been substantially ahead in their invasion. All the preparation in Hyjal wouldn’t even have been started without the time he bought. Without that time, the Scourge probably would have invaded Kalimdor while Hellscream was drinking demon blood, so instead of killing Magtheridon, he would have been his ally.
This is the problem with Arthas, he is portrayed as a villain, but he was really the self sacrificing anti-hero. Without him everything would have fallen. It was the lack of support from his own indecisive father that led him on a side quest to pick up Frostmourne and actually turned him to the Scourge.