I want to start working towards a unholy build by slowly gathering gear for it. What is the optimal haste,crit and mastery for it?
Also, is it even worth getting gear for or does frost perform way better?
ideally 20-30% crit and haste, after that stack mastery. personally i usually start looking to stack mastery at about 20% of each unless i need a higher haste breakpoint. mastery has no cap, more is always better.
frost doesn’t do that much more than unholy in PVE, but you have to consider the effort vs reward, it takes a lot less effort to play frost to a level where it outperforms unholy in dps. if you plan on pvping, unholy seems to be the stronger spec atm.
what talents are you planning on using
and what content
Ok I think I can raise my stats pretty easy and I like frost because it’s so easy to play well. How much harder is unholy? I want more of a challenge but not if it’s like astronomically harder.
Edit: for a build idk yet but I’ll probably just follow guides since they mainly have the same opinion for what you should use.
you’re asking a question that starts fights around here, the best way to answer your question is for you to try it out for yourself.
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Lol ok I think I tried it before and it wasn’t too bad and I like having a zombie following me around.
I think frost is way easier, for the results you get vs the effort you put in.
Thanks I want to go unholy but quite a bit harder, I don’t want to change that bad lol.
The better question you need to ask is “How do I sim myself?”
You need to figure this out to answer your question. Also I think the general rule of thumb is ilvl > secondary stats. Perhaps not under all circumstances but I think it has legs.
Whatever sims the highest. Generally, whatever your stats are for ST, the opposite is good for aoe. Now, these are MY weights and you should sim your own, but here’s a general idea.
ST: ~https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4VJxJ1CoPj3Ec5adkn3Tx3
AoE: ~https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bHf4L2mtwGWNExDvbsTxWd
(Also, in AoE you’d most likely run IC/BS, especially for M+10’s because of the new affix. UH is super strong because of the quadratic aoe scaling)
Also, UH is the simpler spec. It’s just manage 3 resources with almost no rng, frost forces you to hold off CDs and not mash buttons when you see them come off cd.
oh it is not, certainly not while frost is still ret for kids.
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UH is so brain dead easy and boring, I’d rather do my damage every 2 minutes than do no dmg for the entire fight. 65% of our dmg is passive, there is no skill involved there at all.
or maybe you just don’t know how to play it well and think that managing 1 major cooldown is hard.
I do know what i’m doing, that’s why UH is super easy. Frost isn’t hard either, im not claiming you need to be a god to play frost. Both specs are simple and straight forward. UH is just easier to succeed with because there’s less to mess up on. Frost’s dmg is literally destroyed if you mess up the rotation of BoS.
in the 10 years i have been maining DK the only people i’ve seen say that are people without a clue.
compared to the grand complex spec that is arcane mage or ret pally? lol.
i realize you think BoS is epic and difficult, and that makes you feel awesome, there’s nothign wrong with that, but do keep in mind that its only 1 spell, you have a bunch more to master.
IMO the devs hit the nail on the head with their intentions of making the class easy to learn and difficult to master, the problem though is there are a lot of people who just learned the easy parts now think they have mastered the whole thing.
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In the 10 years of this game, the specs have changed… 3? 4 times? They’ve dumbed down both specs from wotlk and made both of them not fun. I knew what I was doing in 8.0, clearly because of my logs, and I knew what I was doing all of Legion.
I dont play a mage, and never will. But from playing a DH, frost dk, uh dk, ret pally, and Fury warrior… frost is arguably the hardest. But UH isnt the simplest, ret or DH’s fit that catagory.
BoS isn’t epic, and it isnt difficult once you use a basic human function and read a guide. It is more difficult if you’re not in the discord askign questions.
None of the classes are hard to master, their skill floor is low and the cieling is even lower.
then don’t play dk if you’re not having fun. the specs aren’t dumbed down compared to wrath either, this really makes me question your understanding of either spec, but that’s beside the point. if you really think BoS is the bee’s knees, then have at it, but do keep in mind when you compare 1 spell with a little bit of setup to a whole spec that does way crazier setup than BoS.
if you think that then you think you are better than you are and are confusing “adept” with “mastered”
Clearly he has mastered the “super easy” spec. Just look at his orange parses.
~https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/stormydk#
Oh wait…yikers…
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Mike… buddy… you gotta find something better to do than just try and log shame someone every time you disagree with them. I’m sure you thought you were making a great point that Storm has a whole two (2) parses from this week in BfD, and that they were both blue. Oh noes, Storm must be so bad because their first kills on a fight weren’t the top. It’s a good thing all their Uldir parses are also blue to compound your point… right? Wait, no, they’re mostly orange. Guess you still can’t do proper research, even when it’s a flawed argument.
Yikers.
inb4 my logs get linked again because that means my arguments are bad.
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@OP. I prefer to play clawing shadows build. Enjoy it more. Based off sims and looking at parses… 14-16% haste, 40+% Mastery, 20+/- crit%.
@Mararri. Agreed. Statistics are often not how they appear at first glance. It is easier to get better parses when your whole guild is over geared for the content, and everybody in your guild is performing. Cant look at your parse rank in a vacuum.
@FDK vs UHDK comparison.
I switched to UH after 8.1. because my guild is not very consistent and I pvp as UHDK. FDK BoS build thrives off consistency in fight flow. I found UHDK to be much more forgiving when random sh*t would happen, timing is off, or some clown pops lust at the wrong time.
Rotation wise, one spec does not have a higher skill cap than the other.
2k+ in 2s and 3s last season and normally parse in the 80s and sometimes low 90s in heroic raids. Average player but I know what I’m talking about.
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