The button is completely uninteresting and a chore to bind and press. Imo they should give frost shock 4 charges by default and keep the choice talent between increased burst damage/the nature damage debuff. With that talent, Frost Shock would behave more like Conflagrate, an instant that deals decent damage and buffs another spell without the busywork of casting Icefury beforehand.
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Agreed! Icefury no longer has a distinct identity in the spec now that we have Spiritwalker’s Grace again.
When I initially rerolled to Ele Shaman in 8.1, Icefury had just been reworked and I truly enjoyed it. It was a convenient mobility option on fights like Opulence in BFD where you wanted frequent, on-demand mobility throughput without losing a lot of damage in an era where SWG had been removed from the Shaman toolkit.
10.0 brought SWG back to the class tree but, instead of us getting something in Icefury’s place, a choice node was tacked on top of it that made both the lightning and fire builds treat IF like it was a maintenance buff. I want frost spells to have a prominent role in our rotation but this current implementation of IF feels boring.
Casting Icefury to buff Frost Shock to debuff the target just doesn’t really feel good in the lightning build.
The fire build probably wouldn’t even take it if it wasn’t in the way to get to Elemental Blast.
The fire build does not care about maintaining Electrified Shocks. We just take it because Flux Melting is terrible.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I detest the icefury talent
Im getting lava surge procs while trying to set up my icefury/frost shocks so i get that 15% increase in nature damage debuff so my elemental blasts hit harder and my lava surges are going off back to back and im missing lava bursts procs
Its such a bad talent that needs to go.
That’s just you playing incorrectly. Icefury and IF-Frost Shocks are not higher priority than Lava Surge procs in the fire build and Electrified Shocks uptime should not be considered.
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I could literally go an entire fight without so much as pressing ice fury, but im losing damage.
Im just trying to optimize my damage since i sim 204k at the moment and only doing like 160k-170k dps.
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It’s pretty normal to only have a few casts of Icefury throughout a raid fight and to frequently waste charges of Frost Shock. Casting those is really only higher priority than lightning bolt.
The goal of the fire build in single target is to avoid wasting lava burst charges. If you have lava surge or you are at 2 lava burst charges, you should absolutely cast lava burst over Icefury/Frost Shock to avoid wasting a potential lava burst.
I highly recommend getting a weakaura to track the programmed 3 second lava surge procs from pwave, because it’s massively important yet blizzard decided to not make it visible on the UI at all.
To bring the topic back around to Icefury’s place in our spec: I think one of the major problems with Icefury is less to do with the spell itself and more that our spec is so clumsily designed and old that it’s not clear to many people what purpose the spell is supposed to serve. Give it a new visual and integrate it more purposefully into the rotation and I think it would be much more popular.
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I don’t understand why people always want something gone instead of asking for more choices.
Some people like icefury. I prefer when it hit hard in legion. But I’d rather have another school of magic than just lightning and fire. Some of us play elemental to use all the elements. I hope you get ignored.
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You clearly can’t read given I asked for Frost Shock, the actually interesting part of Ice Fury, to be made into its own talent… America really needs to improve it’s education budget… 
I greatly appreciate your advice and will work on making lava surge my number 1 priority over icefury.
Thank you Skonse.
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The irony of saying someone can’t read lol. Your heading is ‘icefury has to go’. You sound special. The cherry on top is assuming where people are from.
Why not make Icefury just instant cast.
Personally I don’t mind Icefury, but like you’ve mentioned Conflagrate which is an instant cast, I think Icefury should be similar.
It also give great use in mobility when Spiritwalker’s Grace is down, like could be running in M+ to a trash, instant cast Icefury into a Frost Shock to get Electrified Shocks up.
Honestly my biggest problem with Icefury is the cast time, it’s seriously not needed, it’s already a 30 sec cd, just make it instant cast so it’s so much easier to weave into the rotation.
I’m not opposed to other changes, but if Icefury has to stay, it needs to be instant cast. Maybe 2 charges.
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Agreed.
It’s a convoluted play style and I’d like to see ice fury burn in fire.
If they want to keep it, it should not be an active ability but instead a passive way to gain empowered frost shocks (like every time you cast lightning bolt your next FS is empowered stacks 4 times) and get rid of the debuffs, it made such an awful gameplay in s2.
There is a reason every class moved away from rotations to priority lists and those debuffs are bringing rotations back…