No, the change to the talent point system, the multiple gear squish and then the lvl squish is what killed live for me.
Also no, it is not just about the gear that I wear, it was the fact that we killed LK 10 and 25 with zero ICC HM gear and thus the reward of unlocking HM to then farm it. If they cannot clear on normal, why do you think they deserve to have access to HM?
I am curious, outside of lootship, what hardmode is it you think people will kill while being unable to kill lich king normal?
H Marrowgar is definitely easier than N LK. Rotface may be, too, especially after the stacking buff starts rolling in. Add Blood Queen, possibly, to that list as well. On 10 man, Iâd also say that H Lady Deathwhisper is also easier than N LK.
Ultimately, the difficulty of N LK isnât numbers but rather the coordination required to handle Defile/Valkyr in P2. Gear doesnât help that much to mitigate that - it only allows raids to kill the Valkyr easier. Many of the early hard modes are numbers checks without too much strategy, so a group that isnât too good at mechanics but has the necessary numbers can kill a healthy number of hard modes even if they canât do N LK.
Clearing Heroic modes of the bosses on week 1 is a major challenge. Why gate the content for the good guilds to only have to wait a week to clear it?
Sounds like your guild will be hardstuck on Normal modes and you donât want to see others walking around with Heroic loot.
Angry Night Elf not getting his way so out comes the name calling and stomping of feet.
I have zero problem with any guild/raid group walking around with heroic gear AFTER they kill Normal LK.
Do you really think top guilds will be devastated that they have to clear normal the first week to have the unlocks?
Also, with everyoneâs view, why not just allow the Saph/KT skip from week 1 instead of having to clear the wings. Letâs add in the removing the PVP arena ratings to get all the top-tier gear and then we can get rid of the 3 drakes achieve in OS and pass out the bonus loot after clearing all of the drakes first. This whole game has gatekeeping built into it, so why is it a problem now?
The only clear answer is that everyone must be lacking in skill and coordination to kill LK on normal. As far as name-calling and stomping my feet, why not pay attention to what they said and recognize that it got a deserving reply. Seriously, some forum troll calling out my grey parse for ToC? Does he think that his forum toon has a 90 parse on Anub with his 70 druid? Probably not, just like your 40 paladin does not either.
But âtheyâ donât need to kill N LK. Only one person does. It doesnât matter if the other 9 or 24 people have killed N LK or not, they would still be allowed to attempt heroics.
Want to talk about selling N LK kills so that groups have a player that can activate heroics? Or players swapping to other characters just to activate heroics?
Given that thatâs exactly how thatâs how retail worked for several expansions, we know the answer. Itâs miserable for them.
They would put 3-4 mains in a group with 21-22 bad alts and full clear the joke that is normal mode content for them, then theyâd swap characters and run the same thing with a different set of mains and bad alts, then repeat the process a several more times. The mains in each group wouldnât be competing for loot - theyâd be chosen to not conflict with offpieces/jewelry/tier. Basically, every single main gets their own run with all their desired loot defaulted to them.
95 on anub actually Mr. grey parse. I post on my druid since thatâs the character I use on the forums and Iâm not the one trying to gatekeep while being an absolute trashcan.
Again, this is my forums alt.
Again, your opinion is garbage and nobody cares what you think. 
I am very confident when i say less than 0.01% of the guilds will kill hc lk week 1, the only way to meet the dps check is to run like 9 warlocks and ignore some valkyrs by having the lock teleport back to his circle after getting dropped
It was never a question about how many will kill H LK, but how many can kill normal LK on the first week w/o the toggle to farm Heroic Gear before engaging him.
What youâre asking for would be nice for more casual players who would like to be carried through the first few bosses of regular ICC 25 for a couple weeks, before being left behind in the dust. At that point, they can only hope to tag along with alt runs, while being asked to âknow the fightsâ two weeks into the phase. Gonna have to watch them youtube vids.
It would help me ease my way into it, at any rate.
However, thatâs just not gonna happen at this point; itâd make a lot of players mad it if did.
Itâs not gonna be a perfectly learning-curved experience for everyone.
The good news is that 10 man raids seem to be quite forgiving (not sure if thatâll hold true), and ICC 10 still has very good loot, much, much better than ToC 10.
The forgiving aspect is just true of all 10 man WotLK raids. Especially if you bring 25 man gear to them.
Why do you care? Why does this frustrate you? Why do you feel the need to change the experience of others? Why is your viewpoint granted more deference than the views of others? Why are you talking about skill and experience while hiding behind a grey parsing priest? If you want us to take you seriously, then show us why we should take you seriously. You lack credibility, which is why people are pushing back
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