I worry About The Longevity of This Expac

Im just getting through all the fresh 60 stuff. The questing through the expac was decent. Not looking forward to pushing alts through it. Same Path every time. Unless they increase the exp on world quests and what not, You either do the chain to 59 then the alternate path to 60. Or Get a dungeon spam group.

Once at 60, there was a lot of busy work. It just felt like busy work though. Torghast, which I was hoping that I would enjoy, doesnt quite tickle my pickle yet. It just feels like a maze of trash clearing that gets easier the more powers you get. (Good Powers Though) I had a run with lame powers, and it was a slog. But without gear, or cosmetics or things that drop and give that endorphin hit, it feels hollow. Just Run it for your soul ash, and call it a day. The replayability of the tower is both there, and not there. Without tangible rewards, and just soul ash to grind, its just a chore.

World quests, chests, and the covenant call to arms things are all well and good. The rewards for doing them are good for the effort. Right now, with a lower ilevel, the zones feel dangerous and fun to navigate through. That will go away in as ilevel goes up.

The Maw. I like it and dont like it all in the same vein. Wolf form makes it tollerable, but a slower class I can already see feels miserable. The mob density isnt bad for the most part. The eye of the Jailer feels lame. It fills up pretty quickly, so once you get it filled, it cuts a chunk off what there is available to do for the day.

The dungeons I have ran, were fun. They seem a little on the short side. Which will be good for M+ runs I guess. Though with the loot drop nerfs, We will have to spam a lot of them. And the desire for a Rogue Cloak of Shadows will be in every Run, as there are some great skips there. There are some nice lock port skips as well.

Soulbinds and Conduits are nice, but the conduit swapping charges, make you less inclined to try out different builds and paths. It just slows it down and adds a unfun element. I was previously worried about them being unbalanced, and that is still there a little bit, but I dont think soulbinds or covenants will matter much up through heroic raiding and sub +16 keys. So im fine with that.

In summation, I think this expac has a lot of chores, but thats really all it has. You have a plethora of bars to fill up with a currency. And each currency needs to be gotten in a different way or doing a different chore. All the currencies and reasons to get them, feels too much like 8.3 of BfA. Farm a currency, to get a currency, to access a way to get another currency, to upgrade a legendary, to make it so you can grind a currency for player power (Corruptions). Call to arms, are emissaries.

Its a lot of tasks, with less rewards at the end of them. Lowering how much gear drops doesnt increase the replay value. It just makes it feel less rewarding. And for gearing multiple specs on a toon? Forget it. 1 piece of loot per M+ clear for the group. Want to get DPS and Healing Trinkets? Or melee weapons and caster weapon? Going for that shield so you can try tanking? Good luck.

Torghast is the fleshed out idea of visions, just with the loot taken out from the end of a run. They are fun, but after a couple, my desire to run them plummeted. As nothing I did while I was in them came with me. (Except 1 troop for my mission table.) Getting the troop was the highlight. Other than that, once you exit and lose all those fun/op powers AND have nothing but some soul ash to show for it, it feels hollow.

I have barely started the legendary grind. I see myself getting 1 maybe 2 per spec and most likely calling it a day. Its also going to feel bad, when that 1 drop for the group on a M+ run is for a slot that the person who can use it has their legendary. Unless you only run with 3/2 combos, which I suspect will be the group makeups.

3plate-2cloth
3cloth-2plate
3leather-2mail-ect.

That way, once people have a legendary on, if they get that slot to drop, they can pass it to someone rather than vendor.

I have rambled on long enough. My feelings right now, is that there are plenty of things to do, they just feel hollow doing them.

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That is the problem when the focus is on rental systems and making the expansion a standalone product and not a true expansion of the base game.

There isn’t much longevity, replay value or even support for existing/new evergreen systems.

Fortunately the one good silver lining is the revamped leveling experience for alts.

:surfing_woman: :surfing_man:

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No I completely agree. I’m not even considering alts until something is changed to make the time investment worth it

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Didn’t read the OP but I agree with the title. I worry about the Longevity as well, so far it’s been very boring and just doesn’t feel like I get enough actual play time for my money. I feel like I spend more time doing things that don’t matter like going on long flight paths because the zones have 2 degrees of separation. Even to get to Torghast you have to jump down in the maw, then walk not mount, all the way to the portal which then takes you to the instancing stage which then loads you into the actual torghast after a short queue. The entire game is hurry up and wait.

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I didnt buy SL because i was afraid of what it be like , now i know and my sub is du in 40 some hours good bye guys and have fun , if u can …

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I am having fun lol. So that means you should buy it
And stay! Stay Sushi! :sushi:

They are preparing to turn wow into a mobile game with each xpac as a seperate product.

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I agree with everything you said OP.

More people will feel the same way in about a month or two. We’re still in the honeymoon phase.

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Im going to cherry pick this statement because its the TLDR of your post to me. Overall this is the first time that blizzard has just dumped all the world stuff in our laps since, well ever maybe. Leaving out any future gains from raids or potential new zones which may or may not come. The idea they just go heres all the systems day one was kinda nice at the same time it was a hassle to sort through them all at once.

I to wonder what is going to keep people engaged if this was the system dump. Adding MORE systems overall isnt going to do that. Its clear that Torgash is going to be intersting for … as long as you keep up with it but there is going to be a clear gear investment as well to do the higher FLoors.

If the carrot becomes just the Raids or M+ or whatever your part of the game of choice is… are you going to keep playing that long term? I do wonder what the point will be where people go. Im geared enough this patch and stop.

Unless you’ve only played vanilla and BC, that’s the WoW you’ve been playing all along.

As far as longetivity I think all the points you brought up are kinda irrelevant, as longevity has almost nothing to do with what the expansion has at launch, no expansion has had what it needed at launch to last 2 years, and if they released all of what would be shadowlands tomorrow it’d die off inside of 2 years, as spacing out content is important.

We don’t have Mythic+, we don’t have any raids, we don’t have ranked pvp, hell, higher level torghast and even the base questlines are currently not fully available. It is week 1. There’s no need to doomsing when we’re all just waiting for the content thats in the game but locked away to be available. If it wasn’t locked away people with tighter schedules wouldn’t have a chance in hell at competing for things like realm first and such.

The only reason you’re struggling to find things to do is because you’ve already done the list of things blizzard feels comfortable letting every player do while some players may still be leveling for their first time. At least leave the doomsinging til Nathria drop/

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I haven’t finished leveling my chosen main (druid) through 50-60 and I’m already debating whether or not I want to finish.

Doing this again? Uh… I mean I probably will, if I’m being honest, but I don’t really know. WoD, Legion, and BfA, I didn’t love it but I quietly took my alts to max and got them going too. This time around I’m just not full sold on it; the questing is really, really, really, bad.

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it’s an obviously unfinished product rushed, and unpolished the delay in release was more about a non functioning game rather than an incomplete game.

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Part of my problem, I think, is that they specifically seemed to have tailored the amount of experience needed to (roughly) the amount of experience offered. So you get to 60 (roughly) by completing all of the campaign.

This sounds good on paper but in an MMO with people having a ton of alts this is excessive. It feels like leveling takes too long, and quests don’t feel rewarding. Getting a fifth of a bar of experience does not feel good. I get that there’s a lot of quests so they can’t all be giving me a bubble and more, but there must be a balance that can be struck (have less damn quests).

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They’ve got the formula down now, they aren’t going to change it.

BFA solidified the model going forward.

Push higher M+ keys and higher difficulty raids. Arenas, BGs, world PvP. There is always a ton to do in each expansion. Getting gear is just the beginning.

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Theres is always a point where some people say im good enough and wait for the next Patch or Expansion. Im not saying we are at that point on day 5. I just wonder what that break point is for people

Well then that’s the player’s decision to make, not a problem with the expansion. The content is there, whether you want to do it or not is up to you.

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I mean, I personally have finally found the expansion that toppled WoD in the questing experience on launch in Shadowlands, but to each their own I guess. This has been pretty much peak questing.

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Im still enjoying the game that is for sure though i could easily burn out at the rate im playing. For me when friends stop ill prob end up going as well since that is the main reason to play as well. That or when(if) TBC Classic comes out

Just heads up, most of it optional.

Fill your reservoir.
Do a calling.
Do your max torghast floor.

Done with the mandatory stuff.

Go do what you want.

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