I won't be forced to play assassination. I reject blizzards idea of what a rogue should be in PvP

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I refuse to cater to blizzards idea of what a rogue should be, and will never play assassination in PvP.

Sub was so rewarding and fun to play; merging fantastic damage with unparalleled crowd control. Nowadays in 8.2.5, sub rogues have “ok” damage and “decent” cc. Nowadays sub is a tradgedy of a spec.

I won’t be playing retail again until sub is the best rogue spec in PvP again, even if I never play my rogue again. I will not…

I REFUSE not. I cannot play a spec that I hate just to do well in PvP. I have more respect for my class and more respect for what the rogue class once was.

I’m sure most classes are this way. But sub got hit the hardest. Even feral druids and frost death knights are good now.

This is why 70% (I’d wager more) of the population plays classic. In classic your class has many ways to play your class. Many viable options. Many talents. Gear.

In BFA I am forced to play assassination to even stand a hope of doing well in any form of rated. Well, I reject your offer blizzard. I reject your broken tuning on assassination. I reject your melee warlock spec with a 3 button rotation. I’d rather never play again, than play your vision for a rogue. I’d rather all my achievements, mounts, mog sets,and items go to waste until the game goes offline.

Make all specs good in PvP. Who cares what the .01% of top arena players think. They don’t matter. They are not the vast, vast, vast majority of people. They are not the demographic. Stop nerfing specs. Buff the awful dumpster specs like my beloved subtlety.

I just despise blizzards unwillingness to listen to reason

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In classic as a rogue, you will play combat sword or combat dagger, enjoy your spec diversity.

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Just quit the game already damn. Your rant is full of false/biased information.

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You posted this same thread a month ago dude, how much attention do you need?

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Right? I thought the kid already quit.

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Subtlety was an absolute masterpiece of spec design from WotLK through WoD. Since Legion it is ruined trash.

Shadow Dance used to be the most exciting cooldown in the entire game. It was incredibly versatile, offering a complete spectrum between extreme burst and extreme control depending on how you spent your energy and globals. Under the new design for Shadow Dance, the spec is plagued by:

Reduced options during Dance
Dance burst is nerfed because it happens more often
Reduced options when Dance is down

Regarding point #1, we had Garrote, Premed, Cheap Shot, Sap, and Ambush. Now it only allows us to use Cheap Shot, Sap, and Shadowstrike.

Regarding point #2, the depth of this point is underappreciated by many Rogues but it’s crucial to understand this to understand just how badly the spec has been ruined. Find Weakness used to ignore 100% armor (PvE) or 70% armor (PvP), but now ignores only 40%. This nerf was necessary due to the increased availability of Dance. This not only means that Dance is less impactful (in addition to being less versatile and interesting due to point #1 above) but also means that non-Dance openers are devalued as well. Find Weakness used to incentivize hit and run gameplay, getting restealths to pool energy and get huge burst in opening from Stealth. Now with nerfed Find Weakness and cooldown reduction on Dance from 223ing at something, we are incentivized to prioritize sticking to target to reset Dance charges as quickly as possible. This has ruined the once completely unique playstyle of Subtlety.

Finally point #3, arguably the worst of them all. Subtlety used to be a Rogue first, Subtlety second. Dance was a minute CD with no CDR and no charges, but when Dance was down you still had depth in the rotation and in the utility, with abilities like Gouge, Shiv, Poisons, Bleeds (not only the control of a physical DoT, but also setting up Sanguinary Veins), Slice and Dice (you would apply this in the passive phase while setting up for your next burst phase whether via Dance or a restealth), etc…

Now there is NONE of that depth outside of Shadow Dance. The spec is entirely designed around Shadow Dance, once the most exciting button in the game but now a stupid and mundane rotational piece which allows us the extremely one dimensional gameplay of spamming Cheap Shot.

Subtlety used to be the single coolest, most unique, deep, challenging, exciting, and fun spec in the entire game. The Legion and BFA editions of the spec are cruel insults to that awesome history.

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It logged me in as the wrong character for some reason. Ah well, here we are.

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This is not true at all. Stop posting misinformation you ignorant clown.

Seal Fate daggers
Seal Fate swords
Combat swords
Combat daggers
Cold Blood/Hemo
Combat/Hemo (a spec that only recently gained popularity on private servers)
21/8/22 CB/Prep
Deep Sub (melee heavy raids will have room for this into Naxx…)

Just to name a few off the top of my head that will all be played in PvP, PvE, or both.

Why do you even bother to post if you are so misinformed? Your ignorance is like a virus and you risk spreading it to others. Just stop.

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Oh just go outside.

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i like assassination is the only spec that feels like a rogue spec.

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You don’t have to give a damn that people are posting blatant lies and falsehoods on this forum but I certainly do.

You would rather we have a forum where people just make up complete BS and nobody calls them out for it?

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Subtlety mains don’t like that their spec no longer feels like a Rogue spec and that’s an entirely valid and very well justified position.

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problem with sin is just that it’s SLOW like god almighty it’s like 2 apm

outlaw is a meme in pvp and sub is not in the best place

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I’ve spent most of my 4000 posts fighting misinformation and bad advice.

But you’re being over dramatic, combative, and acting incredibly asinine.

Blizzard does not care what you play. They really don’t.

Take it down a notch, get off the high horse, whatever,

Some of them do. Others might like the changes. Others might simply have an issue with changes made since Uldir. You have literally no way of knowing and you’re projecting your own exaggerated discontent and oh so sad dramatic anger.

Neither of you have given anything to back anything you’ve said. You’re both just screaming at each other.

And it’s pathetic to read.

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If you don’t think I’ve provided adequate details and supporting arguments please feel free to address any points posted by my Warlock Curses above that you happen to disagree with and let’s have a discussion.

You are the one here who has contributed absolutely nothing at all of value to this thread.

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If you are a sub main you are legit gimping your team ( whatever kind of team that maybe )

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Good ol 30/8/13 or CB Prep for pvp

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The best thing is to just Ignore Shoes he’s been spouting stuff like this for years and remains in his own little protective bubble where he thinks his opinion and only his opinion is right. I agree with you though it’s hard to read his non sense and not respond just because he seems like the crazy cat lady on the Simpsons hurling cats at forum posters.

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When all you have to add is comments about people, it’s a clear admission that you aren’t comfortable participating in the conversation based on the merit of your ideas.

Why don’t you tell us all about why the pruned and dumbed down version of Subtlety gameplay is better in your opinion. Looking forward to hearing from you. :wink:

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Never said that I thought this iteration of Subtlety is what I like I think I’ve already told you I agree mostly with your points. It’s the way you express those points. You have the social ineptitude of a frustrated toddler throwing a tantrum.

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