You have to be knowledgeable on the subject to form your own conclusion. Otherwise you are forming an uneducated opinion without basis purely on what you “feel” is right. That is what you are doing, as you do not have any medical knowledge, no training, no schooling on the subject, and literally only get information from biases sources, and actually probably FB memes…So how on earth do you think you can LOGICALLY make a decision without knowing anything at all?
Not really. There’s a lot of valid arguments backed by science on both sides. Both sides are “speaking from science” in a sense. Though this doesn’t discredit the rest of my post you conveniently ignored which is both sides are for science when it agrees with them, and ignore it when it doesn’t suit them.
Like I said with the other examples. The Left prides itself on science, but screeches at the mere mention of the book titled The Bellcurve which is very scientific in nature. They’re also quick to ignore all economic advice (something heavily influenced by science by analyzing trends, abstract thought, and history) when it doesn’t agree with them when they want to fund something.
Both sides see science as something you can pick and choose elements of and not something you have to accept wholesale. Because apparently facts are just suggestions to people.
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Best to just listen to your superiors.
I muted the two people I’ve been going back and fourth with for a few hours at this point. I’m done with this conversation. Let’s all be sheep and follow the CDC and a political agenda guys…
HEH HEH, ALRIGHT
Oh boy, where to even start. This is way off topic so it will be the only response I provide for some of these other “issues”.
In terms of covid, your response/values are basically right-wing, maybe even far right-wing. At least on this subject, you are regurgitating nothing but conservative narrative. I realize mine is too, but I think the science coming out of the left is, in general, more sound.
As for the other stuff, you’d probably be surprised I don’t ignore the biological science of gender. But again, this is way off topic.
As for intelligence, there is evidence that the brain is much more elastic than previously thought and people actually have some control over improving it. I also think there is a genetic component to it, but it’s not the end all, either.
I don’t doubt people are selective about which science they listen to, and I am sure I’ve been guilty of this at some point in my life, but I try not to be.
To be honest… they are pretty dumb, which is the point I think, but in their dumbness they spew some really brilliant thoughts (broken clock is right twice a day… unless it’s a military clock, which is only right once a day).
What side is trying to prevent people from taking precautions? What side is opening their states despite recommendations from every health organization? What states have the highest covid spikes? Last I checked, Most of those states with the highest spikes, all have one political leaning. Not based on science…
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Alright I’m gonna go take a nap, I’m losing brain cells trying to read this thread.
VS the guy that wants to think he is smart, without any education on the subject…yeah sure.
Jesus Christ
You know if you bring up the whole gender crap to a scientist they’ll say
Not my field that’s social sciences
This whole thread is dripping with juicy facts. I will admit, I can’t control whether or not you choose to agree with them. It’s nearly impossible to change a conspiracy theorists mind.
Did you know that there is a correlation between conspiracy theory and narcissism?
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Of course, I did! I know everything. I even knew that before you did. I know all the best things. 
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Look dude, if you can’t talk in a neutral sense and keep having to ascribe political leanings to people, just seriously shut the hell up and quit talking. You don’t come off as intelligent when you do this, you come off as an ideologue. Like I said earlier, I agree with the Left on a lot of issues, but I’m ultimately in the center because I agree with both sides on various points.
The fact you keep trying to say I’m “far-right in my beliefs” based on things I say is intellectually dishonest and unproductive. Though in line with every single one of your responses, you’ve yet to say anything productive.
So you admit you’re taking it on faith because it sounds better. Quit acting like you have facts then. Just as people on the Left can point to their science, the people on the Right can also point to their science. BOTH SIDES feel the facts are on their side. Maybe do what smart people do and indulge the other side’s facts and look into them. It sounds like you read one side and just went with it. I read the science on both sides and my ultimate conclusion is both sides are stupid with regards to this entire thing but both have valid arguments in certain areas. So I’m defaulting to what I particularly know from epidemiology and history and making an educated decision to not vaccinate until I’m absolutely certain it’s safe because I don’t know the long term implications at all and neither do you.
Well do yourself a favor and I’m speaking to you as a human being with your best interests in mind. Try harder. I don’t mean this rude or dismissively but you are definitely NOT giving off that impression whatsoever.
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Except it isn’t. It’s pretty much set in stone with science. I acknowledge it as a trans person, it’s a fact of life. It’s not a social science. It’s literally within biology.
It’s only seen of as a “social science” because politically minded lunatics are trying to change our understanding of basic facts because they find them offensive to some groups of people.
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Well, that’s why I tried to keep it at just the covid topic. When it comes to covid, you are subscribing to the right wing narrative. Sorry if that offends you. I’ve been hearing the same stuff for 18 months.
I intentionally targeted the covid messaging specifically, because I didn’t want to just blanket label you as a conservative. But on this topic, you definitely have conservative views.
Getting second shot monday, would had been done a while ago but my appointment for my first shot got canceled like 3 times because Quebec’s healthcare system is a dumpsterfire.
Don’t get hung up on the conspiracy angle. For me as an example, I stand a 99.947 chance of survival if I get the rona. Why risk an experimental vaccine for such minimal risk?
The only arguement holding water (for me) is take it so as not to infect those who are at risk but for what ever reason cannot take the vaccine. That is compelling. But how many of those are out and about? And do their risk really out way mine?
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Sure, you have a low risk of dying. But the risk of getting put in an ICU, or having long term health issues, are much higher than that.
Have you ever seen someone get intubated? It’s horrible. It’s so bad my own mother chose death over going through it again. Just because it may not kill you doesn’t mean there isn’t risk of it coming at a great cost.
Very little about it is experimental though. Its not a new technology or anything and Coronavirus aren’t new either.
Do you know what an “economy” is? Keeping states locked down this long is DISASTROUS to it. You’re literally saying keep everything locked down and pray it goes away. That’ll do NOTHING for the untold MILLIONS of people who are suffering due to lockdowns economically. A lot of people don’t even have their jobs anymore because of lockdowns. Restaurants have shut down entirely for good because they can’t operate, in addition to having to make their workers unemployed. Do you think the average restaurant owner is some millionaire who can handle the blow? No, the majority of them are people who are barely making ends meet but still find a way to pay their employees. Even then, you think the employees can exactly handle being fired economically? They can’t.
Lockdowns are going to bring economic ruin.
Also fun fact. Sweden handled the disease the best, their constitution doesn’t allow them to lock the country down. So they said “If you’re sick, stay at home.” That was it. They were handling it better than EVERY COUNTRY that instituted wide scale lockdowns and didn’t completely cripple their economy.
It’s a disease with under a 1% mortality rate. There’s literally NO reason to be afraid of it unless you’re obese, have prexisting conditions, or are old. I had it last year in October. I didn’t even know I had it, I just went to get tested as a measure and they told me I needed to quarantine because I had it. I FELT JUST FINE.
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