Warlords of Draenor is far more compelling that this.
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Sounds like somebody got owned by facts and reality so they are running away to shill elsewhere…
exactly… 
It doesn’t matter how good any individual writer there is as long as the overall narrative direction encourages making plot points on whims and pivots for questionable reasons (also as long as it’s overly marketing driven what happens as well).
As long as they maintain an atmosphere where they can do things like use genocide for drama and then never really have the survivor’s story intended as the forefront nor actually put effort into dealing with the ramification on the national and cultural identities of those that where complicit in it.
If they refuse to acknowledge there is a problem with their storytelling methods then we will keep getting sloppy, frustrating weirdness.
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You do know that increasing the sample size has diminishing returns right? Learn about the Central limit theorem (in short, as n increases towards infinity, your sample will become normally distributed). The difference between a 10k sample size and a 20k sample size is most likely going to be minuscule (aka, not significantly different) as a consequence of the central limit theorem. Not only that, but it is generally impractical to do a sample size that equals 10% of a given population. Depending on what you are sampling, a sample size of 30 people is completely fine. I mean opinion polls on political parties tend to only have a sample size of about 2k people, even if the population of that country is well into the millions.
Sure getting more samples gets you closer to the population mean, but that can ONLY happen if you reach infinity (which is impossible) or the population cap (see central limit theorem). Whatever that value is. Which at that point, you just did a census. They are called samples for a reason and there are statistical tests that allow you to say that, “with X% confidence, I can say that the sample mean = population mean”. The standard tends to be 95% (or an alpha value of 0.05). There is no mathematical evidence or basis that says, “the absolute minimum of a sample MUST BE 10% of the population”. You can calculate the critical value of what your sample size should be, and I can say with confidence, the value from that calculation will not be exactly 10% of the population, nor would it be even close to.
Hell, you can go ahead and run those tests I mentioned beforehand and see if you get an alternative hypothesis result. Only then can you claim that the sample size is too small to say that the sample is a sufficient reflection of the population. Sometimes you don’t even know what the population size is.
So it is kinda funny that you say, “I am not debating with idiots” while not knowing a single thing about statistical analysis.
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This isn’t true at all, when you have a large sample size that accurately describes the total population, it doesn’t matter how much % it is. I work in biology/ ecology and it’s sometimes impossible to cover even 1% of a population. A sample is meant to represent that population, not cover it. It should be large enough to include all the diversity and variation of the population, but there is no fixed number.
Also a probability of 5% is an arbitrary agreed upon value to show significant differences in a population, but has nothing to do with how much a sample relates to a population (unless you are specifically testing the same, ofcourse).
Any study has problems with matching the sample to a population- because guess what, populations themselves aren’t static but are constantly changing, so a sample will never be large enough to represent populations at all points in time. The best a sample can do is be large enough to a) represent all variation in a population and b) find statistically significant differences in a trait, provided they exist.
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So this helps explain why mods move threads here.
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The Jailer withheld Nathanos’s death so it should be no surprise he withheld details of the Lich King from her.
She as far as she was aware of was only informed that all would serve her and the Jailer not just the Jailer!
Her desire to rule blinded her to the Jailer’s manipulations just as it blinded her to Varimathras’s manipulations!
Her ambition if united with her good half would have probably sent her to Maldraxxus but unfortunately without it there was only unrelenting ambition incapable of repenting or serving despite her mass murder getting her sent to the Maw.
If Arthas’s Soulless Body had been sorted by the Arbiter alongside the Soul the Soul would go to Revendreth while the Body would go straight to the Maw due to how rebellious and uncontrollable it became once it got rid of it’s Soul.
It is not a desire to rule for Sylvanas. We know that because she actively commits suicide after wrath, which is when she ends up making her pact with the Val’kyr. We further know it isn’t a desire to rule due to her personal thoughts and lamentations upon becoming Warchief in Legion.
We can only speculate as to her reasoning for aligning herself with the Jailer, but there’s a multitude of things we can safely say she should have realized but didn’t about the Jailer based on her pact with the Val’kyr come Cataclysm.
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how was he tortured?
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He had to endure her conversations with him. A truly tragic and torturous fate 
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Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that Sylvanas thought she was partners with Zovaal? That they had cut a deal and part of it was that Zovaal would treat her like an equal.
That he lied and never saw her as anything other than a means to an end is obvious, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t deceive and manipulate her up until he got what he wanted (his sigil).
Because it was obvious it was never going to be a partnership. He is a mega ego tyrant entirely themed around domination. A guy who thinks nothing of countless souls being tortured and destroyed for his sadism and power is not someone you should expect to
stand as an equal at the table of.
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I don’t think that’s hard to understand at all. It’s fairly obvious that’s what she thought.
The unbelievable part is she was willing to trust the guy she should have known was behind the lich king (making mourne weapons, the domination magic, clearly the force behind the LK once she entered the pact with The Nine, etc).
Arthas / The Lich King were the ones who killed her, slaughtered her people, devastated her homeland, and twisted her into an undead slave. And by Cataclysm thanks to the pact she made with the nine where she enters service / starts her deal with Zoval (as confirmed by the dungeon journal entry regarding The Nine) she should reasonably know that Zovaal was the one behind the Lich King.
Why on earth would she ever trust the guy who was the force behind those that destroyed her life and the lives of so many others she cared about?
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What part of deception and manipulation did you miss? Yeah that’s obvious to us since we have an out of story perspective and a ton of info on the nature of Zovaal and the Maw that Sylvanas would not have had at the time she formed her partnership with him.
It would be stupid for one of us to think a partnership could be had with Zovaal but not for someone that knew nothing of his nature or the nature of the Shadowlands.
I think its the lying and manipulation bit that people are struggling to swallow. At least it is for me. She can see whats going on in the maw. He’s grinding souls to literal dust for his mega army and yet somehow she can see him as the harbinger of the new order that will bring an equity that is currently lacking in the system.
I mean it may be that he is the ultimate bean counter when it comes to souls and their uses and he has bamboozled her with graphs, estimates, statistics and projections that she can’t comprehend but look really convincing and has to take them on face value. The why’s and hows of the alliance between the two are just not really very transparent.
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You’d think more people would be happy to see that she got out-Chessed and lost, seeing as how those are two of the biggest complaints people have about her.
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This gave me a good chuckle.
But yeah, there really isn’t a logical way to rationalize her thinking it was equal. It’s obvious that’s what she thought, but the reasoning doesn’t hold up whether you’re using player knowledge or knowledge that Sylvanas should have had (and in many cases, clearly did have as you pointed out with grinding souls into literal dust).
How on earth would anyone come to the conclusion that the Jailer meant well?
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That parts simple: she never knew how the sausage was made until later. She was his agent on Azeroth, she didn’t spend a ton of time in the Maw. In fact the nature of their deal was specifically to keep her out of the Maw with her Val’kyr.
Only after she split the Helm of Domination and cracked the sky would she return to the Maw and see what he was doing, and a matter of fact that was when we first started to see doubts set in. She constantly excuses everything with it all being a means to an end, somehow a necessary sacrifice for the greater good, but in the end it just became way too obvious that he never had any intention of doing what he had promised her.
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Because it comes across as such an obvious “twist”. She wasn’t discarded as a now useless tool where she didn’t realize she wasn’t the long term important asset he may have claimed, it was “mega evil tyrant doesn’t cease to be one just for me” and weird second thoughts based on stuff that barely compare to stuff she had no problem with (genocide, attempted killing off of entire world).
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I pointed this out in an earlier post, but her alliance with Zovaal and her surprise he isn’t who she thought he was seems really inconsistent with her character. Some of the two major core parts to her character were revenge (killing Arthas was #1 priority for her, and after he died she didn’t see much of a reason to keep living) and the second being she’s supposed to be a tactical genius. You’d think she’d have had some sort of contingency or plan B in case she was wrong.
And why is that? Was it because she quickly learned that The Maw is a truly awful place she didn’t want to be in? And knowingly later started a war to send souls to that very same place?
I sincerely hope the book clears some things up. Because right now, I don’t think it fits well for her character at all nor does it make sense to trust the Jailer.
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