… but I find Evoker to be really boring. Never been a big fan of caster style in wow. While I can see the draw for casters, (and I’m glad that Blizzard finally gave them a hero class. Though, I wish the Evoker and Dracthyr didn’t feel like more of an after thought rather than a thoughtful consideration of dragon lore in the context of Warcraft universe.)
I just find it to be meh. I was hoping after launch it would get better… but… it hasn’t. And with the announcement of the “roadmap” which has no indication that Blizzard plans on opening them up for other classes… just makes me sad.
Wow… this totally didn’t even engage with what I said. Cool, glad you like the Evoker. But you’re subjective opinion is irrelevant to my point and cancels nothing.
Evoker is boring (my opinion) and that means I wont be playing Dracthyr.
My problem is that I actually believe that the Dev’s (the real developers working on the game) actually were planning for more but the soul sucking corporate part of Blizzard needed a win after all its losing over the last 3 years.
Definately subjective. Crafting, and the Dragon Aspects vs Elementalists feels more central. Evoker/Dracthyr feel like an afterthought. I would compare to DH’s who were literally central to the Legion storytelling with Illidan being a main character and DK’s who were central to WotLK, and Arthas being central to that story. I can’t think of the name of a single important Dracthyr and Deathwing is dead.
of course you don’t. You’re ok with having a limited Race/class combo. And as I already pointed out, the caster style gameplay isn’t much fun for me. So Dracthyr just suck. Or more accurately, they don’t mean anything to me in terms of value for this expansion. At this point my engagement is less than Azerite armor or covenants. I’m probably not the only player who feels this way. So in my mind, its a big loss for the game overall.
There isn’t a single RACE tied to any given gameplay style… until Evoker. This makes it feel even worse for those of us that got excited about a new dragon race, only to be let down that we wont be playing them anytime soon. Another big loss for the game.
Essentially what you seem to be ok with is that a “central part of the expansion” as you put it, is literally closed off to most players who don’t like that style of play. And I’m not saying that Evoker isn’t a good class, it is for people who like it. But nightelves and blood elves weren’t locked out to players who don’t like DH. Dracthyr are. And this hurts the game.
Why? According to their lore, they chose those visages after meeting the younger races. If we follow blizz logic, they don’t need this. I’m being condescending here if you didn’t notice. I agree with you that they should have been all races. Just like I think they should have had a minimum of 4 specs. I’m literally advocating for Dracthyr/Evoker to be more… which would literally take nothing away from your opinion. But your conclusion still excludes a lot of players. See how it’s not equal now?
This isn’t my complaint. My complaint is that the current corporate leadership is using a rushed version of Dragonflight to make a “cash grab” transaction, a quick snatch for capitol before the current leadership is replaced after the merger with Microsoft. I know that sounds like a mandate to “make money” but clearly there is room to discuss ethics and integrity in product when referring to businesses and how they make money, don’t you think?
Devastation clearly feels rushed and incomplete, and for a “hero” class, it’s undertuned significantly. If they wanted to limit this to one race/class combo, they should have spent more time making it better and offered at least one melee option. Also, more racial visage options. I don’t think they need to offer a visage for every race, but more than one would have been nice.
I enjoy the concept enough to maybe give it a go, but can definitely see how this is a bit of a disappointing debut for what could have been a much better new option.
You never really actually provide what is boring or what you don’t like.
Sounds like this is half-thought out? Or something said without thought.
I like the Evoker. I like both talents, I have two. I like the fantasy of playing a Dracthyr using Aspect magic.
Can it or could it be improved? That can be said about a lot of classes. I also know DH has somewhat evolved, I know the DK has evolved a ton, and I know there may be changes coming. I loved the stances of the Monk and didn’t like it when that went away shrugs.
I think a lot of folks follow guides too much and not their own playstyles which fits them too. Why do I say this about Evoker? Look at my talents. I like what I picked, I like how it plays, and I do decent DPS. I am not a min-maxer so it will not bother me. I also don’t PvP.
All the things I see folks “not like” about Evoker don’t affect me, so it’s little wonder I like this mobile mid ranged caster with a decent rotation, nice spell graphics, interesting character build (custom xmogs, hence my name), and ability to heal/dps.
I’m enjoying my evoker, but I’m really hoping by 11 we’ll see the dractyre able to choose a few other classes. It seems in world that they are learning about a lot of other trades and Bliz has stated a desire to open up even more race/class combos, so we’ll see.
I would race change my warrior here so fast if we got the option.
I don’t like the current feel of casters in general in WoW. The front loaded burst followed by channeled finishing seems to leave the minute to minute player loop feel bad. It doesn’t go with my “playstyle”
I made this clear from the outset. My problem is caster design, and because Dracthyr can only be Evoker and Evoker is a caster I would assume that it was obvious.
Maybe try not being so condescending and actually read what I wrote.
Sadly, I’ve thought about this too much. It’s super frustrating for me, since dragon lore in WoW, and in general, is one of my vibes. But to clarify (which I have in many other discussions about this and I even think I expanded on my second post)
Dracthyr being only Evoker as a concept is fine but what we got feels half finished.
Evoker is the only available class to the new race, Dracthyr. It should be designed to cover all roles in an RPG specifically designed around those roles (dps/tank/heals.)
Dragon aspects and dragon lore are so deeply woven in WoW and Dracthyr weren’t a part of it until the new team decided they needed a new look. They’ve essentially thrown away years of player/fans ideas around what a dragon race in WoW could be and gave us fan service for casters. (Not that they don’t need a new class, but no one said tanking can’t be a caster class.)
Being that it’s all about the aspects, we should have gotten 4 specs minimum. And when I say “should” here, I’m implying that I believe the dev’s in the trenches were thinking this way, but that the corporate thugs that run Blizzard wanted a quick cash grab and so we get Evoker, the half class.
I do to. That’s why I wanted:
Healer = Green
Tank = Black
Ranged Dps = Blue
Mid Ranged/melee hybrid = Red
All specs use bronze magic for utility.
Currently my issue with Evoker:
Mobility out of combat is nice, in combat decent, kind of clunky but better than most classes.
Empowered spells feel good, mostly.
Blue or Red paths don’t feel distinct enough.
Front loading instant cast burst, then finishing with a channel feels a bit like warlock. (There could be a better build out there, not sure, but I don’t think it would matter. I can’t tank and there is no melee option.)
I don’t like that FB and Disintegrate are meant to feel like dragon specific abilities, but can be spell locked.(Blizzard is so worried about “OP” classes they’re willing to ruin the class fantasy for the sake of balance.)
Their range is horrible. This is mostly a pvp gripe, as other ranged can trash them pretty quickly, sticking to them is pretty easy, and their range makes them mid level healer at best. (Yes these are mostly my opinions, but that’s my point, for a hero class, especially one that the Dracthyr are locked too, it should feel better.)
This basically sums up most of what I see as counter to why Evoker/Dracthyr concept is bad. You like it, cool. Not affected by it’s seemingly incomplete design. Adding a tank spec, flesh out the concept, and including more players into the design wouldn’t affect you either. Adding more class options wouldn’t affect you either. Maybe try to look it from the perspective of everyone the current design excludes. (I mean the people who want to play Dracthyr but don’t want to play a mid-level caster spec.)
Me too… Also Dracthyr Shaman. Those totems would be sick.
AS an added gripe… the Transmog situation is horrible. Dracthyr and Visage share transmog for belt and shoulders only. Armor picked in Barbershop is covered by transmog. Barbershop armor options feels lazy and like a pre-production tool meant to be removed in live game. Dracthyr form armor color options suck when trying to match to specific shoulder and belt options. Whole design feels rushed or lazy.
Caster style can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people.
You keep attacking others with being condescending, maybe you should see treatment/therapy and look in to that. I merely pointed out, this is not clear communication.
Now that I have a better idea of where you’re coming from, a lot rests on your personal expectations. They are not dragons .
I agree Blue and Reds paths for Devastation are not that distinct. However, I do see differences. One relies on Fire Breath and the other on Disintegration more. They both rely on the rotation of both.
This reflects a condescending tone.
You don’t know my opinion on a tank spec or anything of the like. It comes off as if you know better than I do and worse yet, you have no idea what my opinion or take on it is.
I like the Dracthyr only armor, I do not want them to overlap and wished they were seperate. Personally, I would like my Dracthyr form to not have transmogable pieces if possible, I hide everything. However, because that’s built in to xmogs, I’m okay with whatever direction they go in.
So to sum up your problems, the rotation is boring to you and you had expectations that didn’t happen. It’s still not clear what is boring about it because most classes have a cookie cutter rotation.
I know it’s probably an OP wish, but it would be cool to choose the race your assume your visage form as (like some of the in-game npcs) and be able to take on their racial abilities.
Agreed. I think a tank-ish like class might be nice to get later that while not a warrior, due to having Dracthyr talents, would still be able to hold it’s own. The lore has the more common Dracthyr as warrior types.
If you dont enjoy it, move on instead of coming to the forums to cry about it. Its pretty simple. Be an adult or keep complaining thinking anyone honestly cares what you wanna larp about
Actually you said I made a statement without thought… while not understanding what I meant. The implication being that I was just complaining without thinking my ideas through. The person before you literally tried to dismiss my opinion as being without value because it differed from his. (These are two examples of people being condescending without actually engaging with my point.)
Actually it doesn’t. My recommendations for fixing the class have nothing to do with my opinion of you personally.
I don’t need to know your opinions on tanking to suggest adding a tank spec would be a good thing for Evoker. You would have to show how Blizzard adding a tank spec would ruin the dps/heal spec you play. Most likely it wont. But even then, I don’t think what I said was condescending in any way. Could you explain to me how it was?
This on the other hand feels condescending. But so I’m not misunderstanding you, why don’t you tell me what you meant?
I actually agree with you they should be separate xmogs (something I’ve also advocated for Worgan.) But armor should remain xmog and race customizations stay in barbershop. The Idea that just for the Dracthyr, I have to visit the barber shop instead of the xmog vendor I use for every other race/class to change my armor appearance is weird and feels like lazy design. It feels like the kind of thing a developer does in Beta or to test options out, then cleans it up in final product.
Not exactly… let me see if I can approach it a little different.
Evoker is ok as a class, in my humble opinion, but not the most fun for me personally. I want to play DRACTHYR, and to do that, I’d have to spend my already limited time playing a class that I don’t enjoy.
There are 2 solutions, Neither take anything away from fans of the Evoker.
Give Evoker more specs.
Give Dracthyr more classes.
Please tell me how either of these options are going to ruin your Evoker experience or break the game?
Also, the armor/xmog/barbershop design is super cringe. No one can change my mind on this. It just feels super unfinished.
Actually I think they might open up another spec that might be a sort of warrior type as they were spoken of in the lore we have had. ‘Foot’ soldiers that have less magical powers. You couldn’t be a full other class while having a Dracthyr racial tree as well unless it is gimped a bit. Blizz probably didn’t want to come out with it at the start and also have to tune that ‘class’.
Again, not likely to ever have another current class. Anything that they do make will be only similar to current classes and probably be much later that that ‘foot’ solder Dracthyr class.
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