I really like how feral druid currently plays. If I wanted to learn m+ and eventually push into higher tier keys (15-20 tops, not like 29 keys) would I be trolling by picking feral? I know it’s never been a popular spec for dungeons, but it sure is fun.
Would sub rogue be a significantly better pick? I also quite enjoy that spec, but if I go feral I’ll have the option to tank from time to time if I get real comfortable with the routes. I probably want to stay dps though.
Judging by raider io it seems like I picked a bad time to come back to the game. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a meta locked in so strong/specific before. It’s kind of nuts, and it was hard enough getting invites/filling keys as an off meta dps last time I tried when there was more diversity at the top end.
dude its any spec is capable of doing solid dps in keys i promise. my feral is a couple days old and only like 405 doing 80k overall. there is a lot of focus on the meta because so many people create groups with the intent on being carried. what do i mean by that? well people try to stack the deck because they know they arent bringing any damage, off healing or interupts to keys. play what you want dude and if youre good you will eventually meet other good players. feral has amazing aoe, great off healing and dispels as well as solid st damage… regardless of what all these clowns say on the internet. half the streamers and websites have people saying fury is far superior to arms warrior when the logs tell otherwise. ive yet to be out dps by a fury warrior even when they have 10+ ilvl on me. so basically play whatever you want. do some research on how to optimize and bring interupts as a dps and you will get invs i promise!
+15-20 keys are kind of brain dead easy and you don’t really need fotm classes to do them.
I will say that getting into keys as a dps is far harder than a tank/healer. I could get instant invited into +17s with way lower IO on my tank than I can on my new mage. People won’t even apply to my +17 keys because they see 1000-1500 IO and think I’m a carry even though I’m iLvl 438 on the mage.
So if you play bear tank you’ll probably be able to cruise control into keys a lot easier than playing feral.
If you care about pug perception and the frequency of your invites, rogue isn’t a good choice either. If anything, I would take a feral over a rogue personally. Feral has more utility to deal with affixes, as well as a few important dungeon mechanics. Rogue doesn’t do much in the way of utility this season and while feral looks harder to play I imagine it does fine damage if you know what you’re doing. So if you like it more than rogue and those are your choices, no reason not to pick the one you like more imo.
But the real obstacle sub 20 keys is the fact that you will be competing with overqualified dps looking to get aspect crests or vault slots, meanwhile groups are waiting around for tanks and healers.
What do you guys think is an easier role to play in m+, tanking or healing? I’ve tried tanking in past seasons, but it felt like if I didn’t already know all the optimal routes/pulls people got very upset even in small keys that we easily timed anyway. Made it feel impossible to learn the role.
Looking more at raider io I’m thinking of leveling a paladin now. Ret, as far as melee goes, has a decent pick rate at +20 for this patch and holy seems incredibly popular - so if I decide trying to find groups as dps is too painful I can maybe try and learn to heal.
Tanking is the easiest role out of the two imho. A tank is really just a glorified dps class and all you need to memorize is routes and boss mechanics which you’ll have downpat after 2-3 dungeon runs. Only downside is you’ll get blamed for everything: not pulling enough, pulling too much, pulling too slow, pulling too fast, etc.
With healing you have to play on a much higher level than dps players because not only do you have to heal, you have to dps, interrupt, and cc.
I don’t think so; if you’re good at playing your spec and understand it well to perform well, then I don’t believe you’re trolling. Would I take you personally? No. Because I like having certain classes.
Go for it! Run your own key over and over for convenience. So late in the season it won’t take long to find an alt of someone who has some level of experience, and everyone is out gearing the content + there have been many dungeon nerfs on top of it. If the run isn’t going well, bail early and try it on a lower difficulty to save time and headaches. Play what you love!
Buddy, choose anything! in fact go with the talent build you feel comfortable with and understand, not just some raider io one or something! I’ve seen real good ferals before!
I recently started up a new character and picked survival. I’ve not had any real issues getting into groups or timing stuff, often top dps.
Do I get into every group? No. I’m also not spending more than a few minutes applying.
I do recommend to everyone pre-made groups filter. It shows the classes and specs in a group before you apply and turns the group red if you’re applying as dps and they have 3. This clears up the 5 applications to things you might actually be invited to.
As other’s have stated for the content your planning to do feral and all specs are fine,play what you enjoy.
I would recommend forming your own groups for keys when playing non meta its far easier.
As a non meta spec myself i have been declined for low 11-12 range of Freehold when i was chasing harlans dice at 435 ivl hence why i use my own keys,because people can have some seriously whack requirements for low keys.
The biggest problem is community perception,when they think only the meta can perform effectively in keys,unless your pushing cutting edge content and need every ounce of ability’s and dps too succeed most classes are fine if played well.
I have done hundreds of keys across 5 toons i have seen some excellent meta/fotm players then on flip side i have seen some at 440 ivl do less damage than the tank.I have also seen some awesome players using non meta specs as well.
As long as people can pull their weight kick,dispel,cleanse etc and know the mechanics a key will be successful in that level range regardless of class.
Yes/No. If you’re really good player and you squish out every bit of possibility, otherwise play a easier spec like boomkin and learn the mechanics, learn every bit of detail of each pull.
You can still pug, people will think you’re playing boomkin if they don’t inspect your talent or check your io. If you’re playing with friends, it doesn’t matter as long as you are carrying your own weight.
I have seen feral doing 120k ish overall dps in a 17+. I assume he is very good at his class. While I seen mage, doing 80k, some 2.4k locks is doing 60k. High io, meta spec, definitely stands higher chance getting the invite.
One of the biggest issues group leaders face is how many people have bought carrys for rating and gear.For keys around the 16-17 mark its painfully time consuming checking run history via rio for every applicant.
I have run with loads of meta specs high Io and gear and its clear within the first pull they bought the ratings/gear carries.
I dont plan on doing 20+ but i have played with many non metas and unless i need a particular skill i.e Hoi mass dispel and bracken for cleanse im fairly open too any class depending on affix as well,like this week i take basically anyone because hey just dodge volcanic kite sang.
Far too many people think oh cause not meta they suck yet its not the case for keys under 20 a well played class is fine .
And im sure if there was another competition of break the meta the people doing 25+ would time as well using non meta they just choose the best classes.
Nooo anything not meta can’t do m+, the spec just turns off when you start the key and all your buttons disappear. Seriously though, play what you enjoy, anyone can do even high keys.