I think that's why only a minority of players participate in PvP

Basically, you need to go 4-6 in Solo Shuffle to earn points. You can lose many points when you lose 4 or more matches, and sometimes you only gain 7 points when you go 4-6. You struggle to gain a small amount of points, but when you lose, you lose a huge amount. This is extremely punishing and frustrating.

If you want more participation in PvP, at least prevent players from losing points until a certain CR. For example, if no one lost points until 1800 CR, I believe participation would increase, since many players enjoy transmogs.

You just have to keep grinding, eventually your score will go up.

My winrates are all around ~50% and I got to 1800 on 3 different characters this season.

At first, it was really bad lol, BG Blitz, I had like a 28% winrate, had several losses in a row and it demoralized me.

Legit had tanks running around and trying to DPS instead of running flag or defending or anything remotely useful.

Kept going, and ended up winning a lot of matches (probably to offset those early losses) and right now that character is at 49% winrate, and 1802 rating lol. (I pretty much stopped right after getting the mog, and went to grind out another.)

The character I’m talking about has 76 BG Blitz matches total, 37 wins.

You just gotta play more. Shuffle isn’t much different.

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Timing can also be a huge factor.
If you play at an uncommon time you can actually end up grouped in a beginner bracket as a 1700-1750 which could be ‘rating hell’ because if you’re groups with an average rating of 1500-1550 wins give no rating and losses take a chunk. But you can also end up with the opposite of being the lowest 1700 in a 2000 bracket and you won’t lose rating on a loss.

Lessons learnt:

  • play peak if you want rating past 1600
  • Anytime is good for the seasonal rated Mount
  • Persistence is key can be on a loss and get rival in blitz.
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A big reason why people don’t participate in PvP is because of the cheating addon that’s been created by the leader of a pre-made that has yet to be addressed by Blizzard.

We haven’t forgotten blizzard. Hopefully more people than Venruki speak out about it

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I haven’t done Arena in years, but I got close to 2k once and ultimately stopped because yeah it was terrible to win games for +10-15 points and then a loss would be -40 - -60 for some reason. Too much time investment and sweat

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How about “it’s not fun” as a reason?

wow pvp is just…not great. in the world of video games playing a player versus player game other then wow is just far more fun and engaging.

just look at how other pvp games are: you open the game, que up, and get to play.

how does it work in wow? you have to level, or buy a boost, then grind pvp matches getting stomped a whole lot before you get pvp gear, to even be able to get pvp gear to be able to compete in the first place! LOL. only the most masochistic people would want to play pvp in wow because of this.

just try for a minute to imagine a new players perspective coming into wow to play pvp, do you really think they will sit through that kind of self torture just to finally have the ability to compete on a level playing field at max pvp ilvl? clearly the answer is no for any reasonable person, hence why wow pvp is popular only among a niche subset of people.

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I think they should evaluate each round individually due to all the rating difference, instead of propping up the entire game and only gaining on 4+ wins. Either way, people just aren’t that into grinding and finding a PVP partners you like playing with isn’t the easiest thing for steady 3s. I like PVP, but tend to not have the patience to push through shuffle and shuffle with some of these players.

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You can grind a full set of decent gear in pretty much a day. (636 ilvl)

Also, send conquest pieces to alts via boxes.

It’s late into the season, catch-up is easy.

In fact, each world quest in Warmode gives you like 100 bloody tokens, so a full 636 set is pretty easy to get.

Don’t even really have to PvP for it lol.

Just PvP will make it a lot faster, if you want to wreck faces.

Don’t bother with buying weapons, since you get free epic 639 weapons from grinding 1,500 conquest.

I’d even say gearing for PvP is easier than with PvE. Because it’s all assured you’ll obtain it.

you want a new player who wants to jump into a wow pvp match to level to max level first, or buy a boost, and then grind for 8 hours to finally be able to compete.

and you think its reasonable.

am i getting this right?

“just play 100 hours to be able to start having fun.”
“just grind a whole day to get to play your first pvp match on even footing”

bruh. do you even hear yourself. lmfao

:dracthyr_crylaugh:

Well, those don’t exist, being honest here lol.

It’s a 20-year-old game.

Most PvPers have been here for years already.

PvE, I doubt attracts new players either tbh.

Why play WoW at all, over other new games, without prior knowledge or investment?

It’s a non-starter.

As if leveling doesn’t exist? Allied races?

You realize it’s an MMO right? The biggest timesink genre of all?

Back @ you.

You came into a PvP thread. I’m giving legit honest into, and you’re emoting laughing emojis and not being helpful.

Stick to what you know, or just disappear if you’re not gonna be of use.

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Most people refuse to PvP because they can’t accept having to actually learn things like timings, setups, cd management, etc.
I was pretty garbage around s3 of BFA (Struggled getting 1800) and after returning in DF I actually spent time improving and now achieved 2400 while effortlessly getting any elite sets I want on alts for collections sake.

PvP gearing this xpac is the best out of any I’ve ever seen and the class balance outside of BGB isn’t that bad so if people are serious about wanting to improve this is the time to do it.

Any yapping about addons and weakauras being a requirement are hogwash too. The only 3 I use are battleground enemies for bgb, Sarena, and omnicc. Only weakaura I have is your standard spec WA just showing my cds though you dont even need that honestly.

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Straight up bad suggestion.

i only really do pvp while leveling. warmode and random bgs. but i level a lot of characters still to this day for fun because i’m a weirdo.