Original thread was asking for better changes and making the game more New-Player friendly. Got backlash.
Changed my tune saying we don’t need new players and Blizzard should just focus on maintaining the ones we have now. Got backlash.
Honestly I can see why Blizzard finds it so difficult to appeal to everyone here. They need to pick a side and stop having the game cater to both, the two sides clash so damn much.
Dracthyr have the most punchable faces ever.
Hot take from a lizard.
Good morning to you too. Thank you for the most valuable contribution to this thread from a Toaster and a walking Beef Steak.
Just play on trial/starter mode. That’s what I’m doing until the season starts proper.
Okay? You don’t need to “cohesively understand” the different expansions. WoW is a game where you play the latest expansion and maybe the previous one. WoW already takes care of this for you - you do Exile’s Reach, then the game sends you to Battle for Azeroth to level up, and then it sends you to Dragon Isles. Tell your friends to stop trying to get off the train and simply enjoy the ride.
Stop trying to get off the train.
Stop trying to get off the train.
Stop trying to get off the train.
Introduction in what way? There are definitely bread crumb quests that put these on your radar. If you mean how to get good at them… yeah, it is kind of a known problem to be honest, the only actual point you’ve made so far.
Stop trying to get off the train.
This is just the same point you already made.
Stop trying to get off the train - new players have no need to interact with the Auction House until they’re comfortable enough with the game.
This list doesn’t sound like a list of things an actual new player would do. I’ve seen how new players play WoW. They don’t do these things. This sounds like a list made by someone who plays World of Warcraft and is whining about old expansions. It sounds like things you, the OP, want in the game but have to make up an excuse about because you know your opinion alone holds little weight.
When I was a new player (2 weeks before wrath released), I could navigate the game with no issues.
Talent trees are not a new thing in gaming, and are only an issue if the player can’t read. In that case, said player should be looking for another gaming genre.
A player does not need videos to do anything in this game.
Figuring out how to execute the class (and boss fights) is half the fun.
I’ll never understand why someone would watch videos of class rotations/fights without ever trying it by themselves at least once.
Your perceived list of issues are more related to players who don’t like RPGs, IMO.
And this is a MMORPG.
RPG players like exploring, reading and learning on their own.
I know it’s hard to put yourself in the shoes of a new player given your 11k achievement points, but it shouldn’t be hard to be less hostile than this to me and more open minded.
I can see this is going to go well already given the first two posts already painted how I should be treated in this thread to everyone else. It is what it is I suppose.
The way games are these days has changed a lot since then. Younger people are used to their hand being held and there’s nothing we can do about this. If it’s all left up to the newer generations to figure it out, you lose them fast.
The WoW talent trees are pretty small. The game gives you points 1 by 1 and you can reset at any time, so typical gamer just focuses on the points they can spend right now. It’s fine.
Agreed, the way the game handles new players is stupid. More on this later in my post.
What would you suggest, disable them until you unlock them? I’d be okay with that, but get ready for the usual suspects around here to complain about “time gating”.
This is really a non-issue, because of:
Moving on…
There never has been, either. Nor is there an introduction on how to be social with other players (which is far more needed…) but not sure how one would go about doing that.
Jesus. Let people learn the game and have fun, stop pushing them into being Uber-Optimal from the start.
Agreed. Auction House should be locked out until you’ve hit max level somewhere on your account.
Now, about leveling, here’s my 2 cents I’ve posted before:
Leveling should focus on the major stories from each expansion. Cut out all the side quests and focus on the core. The hunt for Illidan, the Burning Legion, the fight against the Scourge, the struggle against Deathwing, the events in Pandaria, (we can skip WoD…), the return of the Legion, and whatever you want to call the Sylvanas stuff.
Strip out all the side questing and take the Core Storyline Quests and turn them into a single, coherent experience. That will teach new players about what the game is about: The main stories, and how our actions tie into them.
Doesn’t seem difficult to understand tbh, you level up you can spend new points. If they’re new then the talent tree progresses with them which lessens an overload of information.
They should get a quest to go to Chromie, and she basically walks you through wherever you want to go. I think any new players would understand that 17 expansions in, yes there is going to be an abundance of areas they don’t understand. Expecting otherwise is kind of silly.
Would you rather them not be able to explore? Ain’t that kinda the point?
Again, god forbid they actually have to explore instead of having everything in the game at a single place.
When a player picks up Mining, and they see “Shadowlands Mining” it should kind of be self-explanatory that only applies to… Shadowlands. If not, there’s global chats full of people who will help if asked.
How much of an introduction do you need? I think the group finder is disabled until level 15 anyway. There’s only a few menu buttons in the bottom right as it is, and one of them opens up a group finder where you select your activity and the only buttons you can press are “Find a group” style buttons. Not sure what you want here, a 15 minute in-game Battleground tutorial with bots?
No significance to you, maybe, who doesn’t care about exploration, quests or stories. I imagine there are plenty of new players that would enjoy questing through expansions because they’re brand new to them and not just looking for the most efficient minmax’d xp.
This is a pretty weak blanket statement that can be applied to virtually anything, and certainly any game. Nobody opens up a game for the first time and instantly knows “how to play them best”, you’re meant to learn for yourself. It’s usually the opposite in the video game industry the past few years, where people begrudge studios for doing too much handholding.
Pretty sure the game tells you at the start that grey items or items with the coin symbol are trash, as well as there are definitely loading screen tips that mention this very thing. As for the AH, it’s pretty simple actually compared to other markets/auction houses. If you want a not-so-user-friendly AH, go jump into EVE Online’s market, or FF14’s auction house. The AH is fine.
There’s nothing to add to your list, because your list doesn’t make any sense.
I thought I changed my phrasing to how it was going to be written to better imply I wasn’t trying to do this. I was regarding as basic as range classes vs melee classes. You need to use small words with younger people these days.
WoW isn’t a game for younger people and never has been.
This is completely off-base. The target demographic for WoW has always been 30+.
We can stop holding their hands. They don’t all like this either.
You must be living in 2004. No offense but this evidently hasn’t been the case since WoD.
There haven’t been new players since WoD. Not more than a trickle, at any rate. That’s why they put much more effort into getting back some of those 100 million lapsed players, rather than trying to teach new ones.
You’re literally agreeing with the point of this whole thread. WoW is not New Player friendly because it centers around trying to keep the same old players time and time again.
Maybe if you didn’t start off by lying and actually admitted your true motivations then you wouldn’t have this problem on your hands.
Almost everything you said was wrong. I would say everything, but you referred to wow as a game, so… I guess you got something right.
Talents are one at a time, once every 20 minutes or so. My 8 year old niece can add 1 talent and move on.
New players don’t experience different expansions, they experience BFA.
It’s called exploration. It’s a fairly large world. That’s kinda the point.
It would be stupid if you learned BfA blacksmithing only to pick up shadowlands blacksmithing from the same trainer and not know how to find your BFA plans.
Good. It’s better they get to experience an adventure without all the pressures of the end game grind on top of that.
Yes there is. It’s on exiles reach, explains the basics of tanking, DPS and healing, then, and get this, there’s lfg and lfr! You can argue the community is kind unwelcoming but honestly lfr and lfd are about as easy a content as you can get.
Because you think something doesn’t mean it’s true. Especially when you’re obviously wrong. There’s a lot of opportunities in old expansions to just experience story, or quests, or exploration. Heaven forbid someone takes a random portal and ends up somewhere that they think looks cool.
Good thing new players don’t have lots of gold to get suckered on the AH.
These are your opinions and you’re fine to have them despite how poorly you understand the new player experience.
This game is catered to existing players. New players are expected to figure everything out for themselves while being berated by existing players. It’s one of the huge reasons this game’s population hasn’t been climbing.
OP changed entirely. I’m sure more will approve, but I’m going to wait for the other side to bring in the flames and laugh at this community’s bipolarity.
Oh boy another list to pick apart…here goes
You’re right in that they’ll understand it in time, it’s reading…it’s not that hard and certainly not hard enough that it requires hand holding.
I agree with this, but everyone cheered when Blizzard broke up the leveling pattern and allowed everyone to level wherever they wanted. The players wanted this so…here we go.
If they’re new then this really isn’t a problem as the game does usher you into either BFA or Shadowlands now and by the time a players gets those zones done and are in DF and hit max level I’d hope they could figure out portals. But they could use something on the mouse scroll over text on the portals i.e. Portal to Dalaran Cystalsong Forest (Wrath of the Lich King Expansion) so you know which expansion it’s in.
Aaaand the list is gone.