I think for classic + that a new class should take the warriors spot at the top

a new class or two.

shaman and pally.

yes. they should really make those faction only classes the best in the game.

also if you make it so shaman and pally are both on horde and alliance together, make shaman the best instead cause pallies are poopie doo doo heads.

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If pala / shama was BiS then why bring rogue, hunter, lock and mage?

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he doesn’t care about such questions :expressionless: he just wants to pew pew pew with his support class.

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Rogue has iea lock has curses mage has int buff/decurse? Like wut?

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Pala as BiS DPS can also heal simply by gear change,… Yeah, thats “balanced”

Lol wut. Ret doesn’t output enough healing to keep a raid alive through gear swap if blizzard allows ret to be a top 3 DPS. What a wild statement. That wasn’t the case ever. Not in TBC or wrath or sod. You asked about the other classes. I gave a real answer. Sod ret was top 3 DPS still saw every other class. In wotlk ICC ret was top 3. Still saw every other class. What are these absurd takes.

Holy talents arent needed if your raid team isnt taking so much damage that you’re chigging pots on CD.

There really are talents worh a damn in the holy tree (illumination) and (spritual focus) one is the mana kick back on crit and the other reduces spell pushback.

The rest of the talents are only kinda handy.

Let’s just start with Rage Normalization and see how many Warriors throw themselves into the lava in BRM and never respawn.

on a side note, I’ve never liked how Hunters become TOPDEEPS in TBC, with a pet AI spec no less. Hunters are way too “safe” to be worthy of TOPDEEPS.

I do like the idea of the faction-specific classes being the “heroic” class, and maybe they could be made to be the BiS tanks for some specific raids, due to mechanics or raid utility, etc. but any changes to overall Classic class balance moves the goalpost from Classic+ to some new variant of WoW, like any of the expansions we already have, in my opinion.

:woman_shrugging:

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paladins have blessings and shamans have totems :expressionless: so they don’t need any dps buffs. great, glad that’s settled.

heh naw . you “pures” have plenty of utility that you obfuscate about all the time to justify keeping “hybrids” down and even refuse to admit that warriors are hybrids too and they are top dps and tank.

its time for shaman and pallies to take over.

Crazy how little you understand the game of this is ur stance.

How come this has never happened then in any version where ret was strong then? Or maybe it’s that other classes being very strong and mandatory utilities that are needed. You and eyr are hyper cringe with ur defending of warrior meta. Also to think somehow if ret or enh is playable then u some how won’t need healers. Like have the either of you even played any version other than vanilla? Not once did ret paly meta result in dropping healers in the raid comp. Prioing paly 2 sets of gear has NEVER been done In any guild during prog. This claim is absolutely wild.

I just used the exact same logic you did :expressionless: weird how you don’t like it

Brother u said they have blessings and don’t need any other buffs/debuffs. That’s not the same logic. Your just a clown and everyone knows it. Ret and enh being able to DPS to the same level as warrior is a good thing. It won’t remove the need for other classes. Arguably rn with warrior meta it removes need for other classes as we have seen. You just have a very small understanding of how the game works. Maybe if you spent more time playing the game instead of trying to gatekeep fun in C+ you would understand the need for other classes as well as why bringing 25+ warriors removes the need for anything that isn’t a melee buff/debuff. However all this goes right over your head.

How quintessentially Eyr of you.

I’m not even sure wtf classes they could add.

Shadowhunter or like spell breaker is all I can think of. Necromancer would be bland. But if they do high elves then I can see the spell breaker but I don’t even remember if that’s a high elf or blood elf’s thing

A blade master I guess but that’s a horde thing innit

Add vulpera and watch everyone riot XD

blizzard cannot handle all the balance issues that will come up with adding a new class :expressionless: the new class would just be super OP and like 50% of the playerbase would be playing it.

So no different than era with warrior rn.