Honestly, I was as sick and tired of him, as anti-Thrall as anyone by the end of Cataclysm. Aggra only made him so, so much worse… And… to be frank, I never even liked Thrall all that much to begin with. No, not even back in WC3.
At this stage, though, having had ample opportunity to explore the alternatives? …
Welcome back Mr. Thrall, Sir! We’ve missed you greatly.
So the main theme of WoW, from a Horde perspective, is that the Horde is a train wreck that can only be managed by one person, Thrall, and we’ll have had 5 expansions to prove it.
Don’t put words into my mouth. Rastakhan was my favorite character in this expansion, and I’m still bitter about losing him because of (Troll Anduin) Talanji.
Please don’t quote me out of context, and quote the real things that matter (Second part of the post).
And it wasn’t meant to be an excuse. I elaborated on it further in the part below it. That is why I said you are putting words in my mouth, and that is also why I said you are quoting me out of context.
Okay, first thing, what your original post did was make it seem like the only excuse was that “she felt bad.” When it wasn’t.
By staying the Alliance’s hand shows that Jaina doesn’t seek to destroy the Horde outright. And after what Baine had done, we have now gained Jaina’s trust in overthrowing Sylvanas.
I don’t think that Thrall is a good choice for leader, any more than Baine or Saurfang are. Baine never had the stones to stand up directly against anyone until only recently, and Saurfang has been obsessed with his own “honorable death” for far too long to be effective at preserving the Horde. Thrall abdicated the title of Warchief in order to put Garrosh in the big seat, because he thought (incorrectly) that the brown-skinned brute could lead the Horde into something other than inept ruin. He had bigger fish to fry saving the world and all, sure, but afterward, after literally standing against Garrosh with everyone else, he decided to leave everything behind.
I mean, I can’t say I blame him, he had a new child and wife and a life to kind of explore, and some soul-searching to do. He decided to put his own life and family before the possible needs of the Horde, which he left in Vol’jin’s capable hands (though we unfortunately lost him to plot development hell afterward). But Thrall proved that he didn’t really want the job, which is fair enough.
Still, I’ll support anyone in their bid to depose Sylvanas, who is currently tied with Garrosh as being the worst and most ineffective leader the Horde has ever seen, and tied with Vol’jin as being the biggest waste of a character’s arc ever in Warcraft history.
I disagree; I never saw, save for literally once, Garrosh act in any way that could be considered “promising” as a Warchief, or even a leader of any kind. Literally, other than Stonetalon, he was a rage-blinded bipolar maniac who first spent his days staring morosely into a campfire while his kin were being slaughtered by ogres, and later was promoted to general on the strength of his father’s legacy alone. He went on to impotently kick over some toys in the basement of the fortress he ineptly built on a Nerubian nest after impatiently landing on a cursed stretch of Kvaldir-haunted beach, both of which lost him a lot of troops. Later he caused a further rift between the Horde and Alliance by insulting the latter during the Argent Tournament, causing more troops that had come to fight Arthas to die in the process. By the time the Cataclysm took place (with Stonetalon again the outlier), he was firmly entrenched against Vol’jin and Sylvanas, literally threatening the former. He crashed ships into literally everything from krakens in Vashj’ir to dragonflames over the Twilight Highlands in repeated attempts to fight the Alliance even though Deathwing’s forces were literally burning down the world around him.