I regret rolling a Paladin in classic

You don’t know what healing throughput is. Paladins have the worst healing throughput of all the classes. Paladins are the least capable of healing the raid through moments of high damage taken.

Educate yourself.

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I thought the Paladin’s strength when it comes to healing was in sustaining itself over longer fights. Less chance of going OOM.

Someone correct me if i’m wrong here…

Yes, Paladins have very good healing efficiency.

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BoL for FoL is 115 HPs, for HL its 400. BoL values crit.

The mana ratios between them are based at MAX Rank, not down ranked levels.

Rank 4 FoL is 85 mana and gains 115 from BoL. Rank 4 HL is 190 mana and gains 400 from it! The gains from BoL when down ranked are NOT proportionate. If they were then BoL would only yeild 230 for HL…which is does NOT!

Stacking crit gear further causes BoL separation between FoL and HL. At 34% crit, which is attainable NOW, then BoL for FoL would be worth 135…however for HL BoL would be worth 468!

HL is a 71.43% coefficient.
BoL is the equivalent of +560 healing from gear for HL.
BoL can crit.
Paladins stacking crit can garner 117% to heal values from crit currently.

There isn’t a single point in all of WoW Classic where a Paladin isn’t overkill for any burst damage in relation to any other heal class.

The problem is your not factoring in BoL relative heal value coefficient, nor its ability to crit, nor that Paladins can easily stack crit for mana efficiency while simulteously boosting HP/sec.

Okay so, you still don’t understand what healing throughput is.

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I understand what it means…however I don’t think it means what you think it means!~

Even with your definition… Paladins have outstanding high heal values when needed to deal with a burst as well as other classes.

There will NEVER be any content that challenges that in Classic WoW…or TBC…or Wrath…

And to be clear:

Just because Holy Paladins don’t use HL twisting doesn’t mean its not the most powerful heal strategy for a Paladin.

It was even included deeper down in the original Paladin heal guide during Vanilla after all the bumps, because I couldn’t sticky the original thread…which I actually wrote…back when people thought Paladins couldn’t heal at all.

I don’t have a dog in this hunt since I don’t play a healer, but mana efficiency is completely tangential to a discussion about healing throughput. It’s basically bringing up fuel efficiency in a discussion about which engine produces more horsepower.

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Del why are you always in these horrificly stupid debates. Healing throughput HURR durr.

It doesn’t matter.

Throughput oh noes. As a good pally you can reasonably expect to top the meters reargdless of throughput.

And just to add some spice the pally bis list is stupid and anyone with +500 healing can still hit 99 parses.

That reference wasn’t about mana ratio, it was about how Blessing of Light was balanced.

The ratio between 115 for FoL and 400 for HL was predicated on casting max rank. It wasn’t based on cast time, nor heal value, but on max rank mana cost.

However in application down ranked HL gets nearly twice as much out of BoL than FoL does and this increases the HP/sec of HL over FoL.

That very gap is widened further when you factor in crit levels.

I’m the self appointed “Grand Arbiter of Truth and Reason” on these forums. I must combat misinformation and fake news at every turn.

He even has a hat…its pointy and shiny :stuck_out_tongue:

He’s using his own personal definitions…which is a dictionary we don’t get to consult!~

Burst Healing is what you are referring to. Increased healing values in a compressed time interval to account for a burst…see, its in the name!

Healing Throughput is sustained healing levels over an interval of time, usually a single encounter boss. It can be measured in HP/sec or just total heal values.

Throughput is defined as the amount of information or material passed put through or delivered in a specific period of time

Spec Reck/Ret and play support.
It’s fun as hell when you delete a geared warrior/rogue that jumps on you because you’re healing.

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You can go look at the definition and synonyms of throughput if you want. This isn’t my definition, it’s the definition.

You… do realize you just agreed with what I’ve been saying, right? Is this real, is this actually happening?

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Let’s look at Vael!

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1002#boss=611&metric=hps&class=Any&page=29

There are 2,803 healers outputting (throughput) more HPS than the highest ever recorded Paladin on Vael.

:clown_face:

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Your own definition.

Notice how the word Spell is singular.

Your reference was in regards to saving someones life with a spell.

And on top of that your wrong in terms of single HP/sec from a single spell.

By your own list Priests use Flash Heal to produce the most HP/sec…Paladins use Holy Light. Both use max rank to burst.

+healing is proportional to cast time so we can exclude it. Leaving talents and BoL only in reference to max rank. 30% spell crit for the Paladin, which is very conservative with Nef/Ony which I will ONLY use for mana cost.

Flash heal 992 HPs, 661 HP/sec base, 323 mana, 215 mana/sec, 42.86% coefficient.

HL (Rank 8) + BoL 1743 HPs, 697 HP/sec, 406 mana, 162 mana/sec, 71.48% coefficient.

Adding spell power doesn’t help the priest any more than the Paladin.

However adding crit helps the more due to BoL crit scaling, which increases Paladin HP/sec.

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1002#boss=611&metric=hps&class=Any&page=29

:clown_face:

This guy never heard of Prayer of Healing, LOL.

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Valarkin just concede. Paladins do have the lowest throughput of any other healer. That doesn’t mean they’re bad. Someone has to be lowest, and it’s paladins. We make up for it with efficiency and other neat tools (like Blessing of Light, which you seem to be familiar with).

Like, get over it.

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The top 13 players in that log had the same HP/sec.

The Paladin did that without using an AE heal…but matched classes on a gimic heal fight using Holy Light

Did I mention that’s only going to get worse for the other healers?

Your making my point for me btw…a Holy Paladin, with a single target heal, matching the heal output of a class casting a group heal, in one of the few fights it can be used well.

:rofl:

The more you post, the more you show how little you understand what you’re talking about…

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He just linked a log where a Paladin posted 1319 HP/sec using Holy Light.

That value matched quite a few Priests using Prayer of Healing.

So obviously your wrong.

Prayer of Healing requires most players in the group to take similar levels of damage…Holy Light does not, making it easier to apply.

Dem’s post just countered your argument.

My argument can be verified by any Holy Paladin. Its not hard.