I need help i am new with PvP

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Good morning, WoW colleagues,

I would like to ask for your support with the game’s PvP system, from the gearing to the different queues. I’ve always been a PvE player, my goal for season is to get Cutting Edge and that’s it. But lately I liked PvP and I’ve been playing that. But there are some things that I don’t understand:

1.- What is the objective of PvP? In PvE is to take out cutting edge, in PvP is it gladiator? How many points is that?

2.- What to buy first with honor and conquest?

3.- Is there a set in PvP? didn’t see anything from Set with The conquest seller, is the same set from PvE?

4.- The only way to equip myself is to play arenas and BG to get Conquest and honor?

5.- Is there any advice you can give me in general for PvP?

6.- for Warlocks: Any advice you could give me? The hardest thing for me is to play against Warriors and Paladins.

Regards, thank you in advance

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People have different objectives. There are various ratings you can push for in different brackets, i.e. arena 2s, arena 3s, rated solo shuffle, and rated battlegrounds.

The higher rating you attain, the more rewards you get.

Gladiator is like 50 wins above 2400 rating in the arena 3s bracket. There’s another reward above gladiator called r1 (rank 1). You have to be near the very top of the 3s ladder.

This is personal preference and depends on your gearing strategy.

Some go with trinkets first (so you can break out of CCs and get the PvP trinkets bonus) and a weapon.

There is a set. You use the same NPC as PvE to convert conquest gear to PvP tier pieces. It’s a different xmog and it scales up to 450 ilevel in PvP. Same set bonuses.

Unlike PvE, you might not want all of the set bonuses. Some specs only want 2-set.

Those are the main ways yes. There are also crafted epic gear (with or without embellishments), weekly quests, and probably some wPvP (world PvP) stuff.

Crafting epic gear with embellishments for PvP:

If you’re on the Alliance, you can group up with Degeneratebri/Tidepodzxo. They post on this forum looking for teammates.

Avoid premade raids (premades with 6+ players). They’re illegal. You’ll go to jail. :wink:

Check out the PvP leaderboards for ideas about gearing/talents for your spec:

If possible, put down a teleportation circle first. If you have enough time, maybe even a gateway.

Then, max range dps and lots of fears. Rotate defensives.

Stay near a healer. But not so close that they get CCed (crowd controlled) too. So maybe like 20 or 30 yards away. With nothing blocking their view of you.

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The objective is defeat the enemy team. In arenas you beat the enemy by killing each of their members. In battlegrounds you beat the enemy by capping more flags or scoring more points through controlling nodes.

Honor medallion first to break CC (dont need to upgrade this with conquest until you’ve already gotten the rest of your conq gear). After that, what you buy first can depend on your class spec. Typically the attack power specs, such as most melee specs, aim for weapons first. Casters have more variance in what they might get first. After weapons you go you neck and rings for the quick large stat boosts.

PvP gear itself does not come with set bonuses. If you want the PvE tier set bonuses what you do is get the conquest gear and then take it to the catalyst to convert it into a tier piece which retains the 450ilvl scaling.

You can get Honor from killing people in the open world, doing the war mode crate drops, doing the bloody token WQs, and the scalewarden WQs. All of these WQs require war mode on.

  • Spend some time looking through your spell book and your talent tree to understand what everything does and how it synergizes.
  • Look up guides on your class. You can youtube “warlock pvp guide” and find lots of helpful videos.
  • Learn the objectives and some strats of battlegrounds.
    https://www.wowhead.com/guides/pvp/battlegrounds

As mentioned above, look up guides.
Use your gates and ports. If melee is glued to you while you have no gate/port ready then you’ll have a tough time.

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Hello, so the basic idea of pvp is to beat your enemy. But there’s many types of pvp. Pvp is situational outside of a rated setting for most part. Let’s start with rated types. Arenas and rbgs. Arenas you can solo queue, 2’s and 3’s. 2’s and 3’s you can find a partner or yolo the matches. It’s hard to find someone that has patience in arena setting for new pvpers. Rbgs you can find yolo groups but won’t get a good feel out of what you should be doing in a rated bg.

There are non rated bgs and ebgs. They are to get honor to buy gear and small amounts conquest. You first should gear with honor gear since you will get more honor than conquest. Fill in important pieces when you get conquest. So some people such as myself enjoy the casual non rated pvp more so. My favorite type of pvp is wpvp or on map. Outside of what is called a sandbox. That’s because it’s so unpredictable. This type of pvp can be frustrating though since you can have a group beat you down multiples on 1 person. But then you hope to get people to fight back.

This xpac they made all pvp gear equal ilvl in war mode for the type it is. So if someone else has the same gear non upgraded when in pvp it maxes to its type.

My suggestion for pvp is to just queue for random bgs and ebgs. Listen to the leader if there is one shot calling. Have fun with it. It will be frustrating for sure. But it’s fun. Just jump in and get your feet wet in non rated. Rated peeps will more so than not be toxic and put a bad taste in your mouth.

As for classes and what to spec and gear first I would look up guides for that.

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Whatever your goals are. You don’t really have to do that. In PVP the main goal is competition with other players and the struggle that comes with it. If you are particularly goal oriented, gladiator might be a goal for you, if you want the mount, weapon mogs, enchant and tabard. But if you just want to PVP, you can do that with a full set of conquest.

Melee want weapons first with conquest. For casters, it doesn’t matter as much. Just prioritize whatever lets you hit around 30% verse in PVP and whatever your relevant secondary stat is, which for this season will either be mastery, or more likely haste. Keep in mind that gear values in PVE do not reflect what your stats will be in PVP when gear is scaled up. In PVE your stat sheet might say 20% verse but in PVP it will scale up to 30%.

There is a set in PVP. You get it in a different way, you either get pieces from your vault, or you convert conquest PVP gear at the tier catalyst. Keep in mind that these sets bonuses are nerfed by 50% in PVP. So if something says it gives you 30% more damage on an ability, it will be 15% in PVP.

You can do WPVP quests and hang out in Dragonflight zones with War Mode on, every 30 minutes or so a chest will drop and if your faction gets it you can loot 60 conquest from it, and there is no limit to the amount of times you can do this per day or week. This is usually done as filler between queues though, because it can involve a lot of waiting.

There are also weekly PVP quests given by Malicia. These are random, and can include gaining honor from Skirmishes, Arenas, Random BGs, Random Epic BGs, Rated BGs, and Solo Shuffle. There will also be a WPVP quest for a particular zone that week that awards 70 conquest.

Also make sure to win the brawl at least once a week, this grants you 110 conquest.

Otherwise, yes, the only way to get conquest is to do BGs and Arenas, with Arenas being the most efficient way to get Conquest.

Watch other players who are high rated and try to take note of the things they do. Watch videos from people who are experienced in the class you’re trying to play and take note of the talent builds and stats. In general, try to predict what your opponents will do. For example, you can be reasonably sure a warrior will charge on you on opener, and in solo shuffle and low rated games will likely use all his CDs to burst you down as soon as possible. So you can use gate when he charges to juke him, or use your defensive CDs to negate some of his incoming damage. A lot of PVP is about effectively trading CDs into each other.

Generally speaking you will get good advice and tips from more experienced players with the advice above. Watch guides from Warlocks who are experienced with their class and listen to their advice and study what they do.

But to provide some guidance, always keep Amp Curse+Weakness on a high damage class. This disables crits. Amp Curse+Weakness is more valuable on DPS casters than Curse of Tongues is. But you will want to keep Curse of Tongues up on healers as well. Macro Amp Curse+Curse of Weakness together. Use the command line: #showtooltip Amplify Curse - so that you will know when Amp Curse is up.

Also use a Soul Burn macro to your Health Stone, Demonic Gate, and Demonic Portal: Teleport abilities. Soul Burn provides bonus effects to these spells when you use it, but it has a short CD so be mindful of where the CD is.

Learn to fake cast. With Precog pretty much being baseline to embellishments for all casters, being hit with an interrupt when you are not casting will grant you 15% haste and immunity to CC for a short time. This is huge to setting up a burst chain. Try to fakecast a high value spell like Fear to bait an interrupt, but move before the interrupt is cast. This can be tricky and varies from person to person, and sometimes players will be expecting fakecasts and will be able to counter this. It will require practice and gamefeel to get it down.

That’s the general advice I can give. If you’re looking for specific advice, it is best to learn from those who are playing the spec you want to play at a high level.

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@OP

If you are new to PvP AND starting just now, mid season, you’re in for a rude awakening. It will be brutal playing against better geared and more experienced players. Know that you will get steamrolled. So, don’t set any expectations.

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The more casual carrot on a stick is the seasons vicious mount (can be earned at any rating above 1000) and the elite set at 1800.

At the start of the season weapon first then main slot 875 conquest pieces. Dont buy anything until you open your vault for the week. Sucks to buy a wep just to get it in the vault.

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have fun but that’s a goal yea

weapon and pieces with bis stats

Yea and it’s nerfed in pvp, you gotta make it with catalyst or get it in the vault

bgs and arena yea

Learn how to do damage first, you can win games purely off damage. Learn how to do cc second

Don’t try and finish a warrior all at once, just use your mobility to create a gap and they die eventually.

Still trying to figure that paladin thing out myself

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Hey, I hope you are doing good. I have been in a very dark place the last few/several years from different life events and mostly intoxicated for a lot of that time, lame on me. And, if I remember right, I met you a time or two on Moon Guard. I don’t know you and you do not know me, and when I wisp you one time (of all events, it was at Gambino’s birthday event lmfao) and you wisp me back… and as you said… ya don’t know me xD please excuse my bad English despite being mostly British, apparently, my english is bad and I do not want to work on it yet, even tho I know it is bad.

I was at a Gilly RP event being stupid per usual some time ago and looking around ppl watching and I believe it was you on a priest, and you mentioned being Pagan in your TRP3 and something clicked inside of me. I have always been drawn to the practice and did practice as a child but was secretive about it, I didn’t even fully know what I was doing in the forest I grew up around back then, but I do now. I pushed it away bc my own parents pushed it away when I brought it up (in my opinion) in a nonchalant way and seeing that simple word on your TRP3 stirred something deep within side my soul to bring it to light. And I want to thank you, if that was you, and I believe it was- for me pursuing witchcraft.

I hope you’re happy and not gloomy

Blessed Be :star2: :crescent_moon:

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People are doing witchcraft??

How is that still a thing I’ve never been very religious in general.

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I did it in secrecy as a kiddo and when I brought it up to my parents they didn’t want to hear about it.

I remember some twin boys I babysat and I asked them a few times to watch the original Harry potter movie bc their mom is cool! :joy:I need to catch up with her now that I am thinking about them.

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Just not very inclined to leave fate in the hands of supposedly all powerful celestial beings especially ones that allow such horror to happen on their watch even to the people who have followed them faithfully sometimes their whole lives.

I’m a man of action not waiting for something to fall out of the sky to right every wrong done which could well never happen.

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Study up on it, and your mind might be changed. I am low energy to convince someone otherwise.

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To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

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1.- What is the objective of PvP? In PvE is to take out cutting edge, in PvP is it gladiator? How many points is that?

Whatever content it is, the objective is to win. What helps you win depends on the content/map. A new player should be learning their spec and pvp talent setup, stat prio for pvp, and at your own pace, every other spec and everything they can do. You’ll learn what must be stopped with CC and inturupts, what specs to follow in BGs because you share synergies(see 2s and 3s comps on YouTube)
When at all possible follow your healer and help them survive.

2.- What to buy first with honor and conquest?
For most specs, you’re going to want your tier set slot pieces bought with conquest then turned into tier set, item level for these will raise in pvp content like all conquest gear and crafted gear that uses the matts at the conquest vendor. Largest items have the most Vers. The experts for pvp for your spec might suggest having 20% or close damage taken reduction provided from Vers while outside of pvp combat. You will want pvp trinkets asap for the stat bonus it gives, and a pvp weapon.

3.- Is there a set in PvP? didn’t see anything from Set with The conquest seller, is the same set from PvE?

No tier set from the vendor, 4 pieces can be made into tier gear at the Catalyst.

4.- The only way to equip myself is to play arenas and BG to get Conquest and honor?

Additionally you can loot warchests(world PVP) and sparks quest weekly(world pvp) Bloody token gear bought with both trophys of strife and bloody at the same time are higher item level in pvp combat than honor gear. And the lowest item level pvp gear including rings and trinkets can also be bought on the AH, gems and gem slots for neck can be bought on AH, dont forget to enchant. Youtube pvp guides will explain what your spec needs.

5.- Is there any advice you can give me in general for PvP? CC often, stay with group if new, help your healers, try to have fun while learning, personally Blitz is my favorite content and it fills your vault.

6.- for Warlocks: Any advice you could give me? The hardest thing for me is to play against Warriors and Paladins. Dot the heck out of Hunters if you are Affliction, hunters hate it. Teliport enemies into walls and corners of rooms unless blizzard actually decided it was an exploit. Stay with the group.

Regards, thank you in advance
You’re very welcome! Dont get stressed, a new season starts very soon, just get some practice now and dont sweat it if matches dont go your way right away. A game you think you will lose halfway through is half a game worth of time to practice.

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good news bro. OP hasn’t been new to PvP for almost an entire year now.

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Likely many other people have the same questions. That’s why we use the forum forum.