on Retail to even get into the challenging part of the game High M+ keys and mythic raids you have to go through months of grinding cake walk content while everyone is anti social, you grind for months and months until you get to the point of over gearing the content then you can finally be accepted into groups to do hard content.
And there is no skips in retail, professions are useless, You will log in once a day for a couple of months until the RNG gods give you enough Titan forges that you can be accepted into these high end groups. Though it is entirely possible to play wow and never get a Titan forge and never get a high enough ilvl to even get the opportunity to do hard content.
I did this entire process for Legion and it was enjoyable somewhat because the class design still felt good, but BFA is what got me to quit, the class design is so bad and boring that its not worth doing the months long grinds to finally outgear content so you can be accepted into raid groups or M+ groups… Classics design system is way better.
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I am glad you are enjoying yourself. Also - classic forums are over there ----->
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Then play classic, this is not rocket science.
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If you think you need multiple titan forges to do higher level content then I think I found your problem.
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There is a Classic forum for a reason. This should be posted over there and not here.
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Welcome to World of Diablocraft. If you are not grinding M+ you pretty much don’t have a prayer to get into anything end game.
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Go play it then?Why are you wasting your time here when you could be running from IronForge to Thelsamar,to IronForge,back to Thelsamar,right now?
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Class design is still better than classics, 1-3 button spam isn’t realy hard
So join a guild thats really only true in the pug life and even then its not really true
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BFA is just as bad in this regard.
Rofl OP says doesnt like the grind and wants to play classic. ROFL
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Same here. Legion was half decent. That weapon AP grind wasnt the best but at least the weapon had its own personality.
This neck and Azerite garbage is labored and cheap.
BFA is just not compelling at all. The drustvar witch questline was some of the best work in this game to date. But ONE little questline does not an RPG like this make.
About the 400th tiny azerite spinter I got was enough to use some foul language for wasting my money on BFA and just go back to MoP and prior content.
Well, that and now having an ESO account to eat up my game time if and when blizzard finally agitates me enough to finally quit
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I don’t buy the reasons players give about needing titanforges, I’m quite certain they’re just torturing themselves chasing perfectionism.
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I think I overlooked that 
Cool… sounds like all excuses you’d avoid by having a better guild, ‘‘git gud’’ , the only one you can’t avoid are the titanforges and rng stuff but honestly , only a factor for Mythic… I’m sure you’ll survive Heroic with not all BiS items.
Yeah…
Just imagine needing to have titanforge + socket + bonus stats
When even Grumbles, the eternal nice guy, starts grumbling, you know a topic has worn out its welcome.
Months and Months of grinding … no.
In order to run higher Keys … all you need to do is try to get a 430 item in every slot. Ideally … from a M+ Dungeon … even better from a +10. That is not really a big issue, if you keep run M+10s … you get that eventually in 1-3 weeks time … not months.
Also, getting Titanforge … isn’t that hard … if you keep running M+10s you will see quite some. I have some, and i not run that many +10s.
Now people are a different issue. I seen it all, gettin suddenly removed from Mechagon Hard Mode groups or the hassles getting accepted to a M+10 dungeon as DPS, with or without raider io.
I do agree … quite some Classes/Specialisation combos are just not fun to play. But … Classic is not better. In Vanilla you had to have a Blue Level 60 item in every slot from the last Dungeons before you would be taken for Molten Core. As a DPS this was a hassle too, considering Vanilla was slow …
I dunno man, competitive end game requires a lot of grinding in retail.
Classic is all about grinding.
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He’s been grumbled by grumbles! 