I miss the Legion PVP Balancing

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Back in Legion Blizzard had some kind of system that prevented there from being extremely vast differences in power levels between players. I don’t remember the exact details, but I do remember that in basically that someone could beat someone who had 50 item levels higher then them with enough skill. These days however it seems like only having a 10 item level difference can make or break a fight with someone. I am not a huge fan of this. Reasons why I like the Legion PvP system:

  1. Skill mattered more then gear.

Gear would make a difference yes, but it was not such a huge difference it determined the battles from the get go. At least in most cases.

  1. Battles are more interesting with the old system.

When you just destroyed very quickly with little recourse, its not that fun. However if you are the one with the high level gear, it also means you don’t have as much of a challenge so the wins feel more meaningless.

  1. More possible battles to fight then otherwise

More people to actually have an engaging fight with = more fun.

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I miss PVP. Fixed it for you.

Blizzard simply does not care about PvP, they can barely hold PvE down.

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Those were called stat templates and good riddance to them.

MMO’s are about progression, and it feels bad when you work your way towards getting better gear only to zone into a BG or Arena and your character feels neutered.

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Progression can come in many forms. The way I look at it is that it was in skill development first rather then gear development.

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Indeed, and in the context of an MMO, it’s getting better gear which makes your character stronger.

Many rank 1 players also didn’t like the stat templates system and thought it was antiethical to what MMO’s are about.

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What about the advantages I spoke of? I think those have merit.

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I preferred the stat templates as well

As a PvE or even new player it’s quite the barrier of entry into PvP knowing i’ll get 1 shotted for the first 10 hours

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Bro gear hasn’t been a thing since SL

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If you are referring to the 3 points you made in your OP, I’ll adress them now.

If two players want to test their skill, then they can both get better gear.

This is a matter of opinion really.

Class balance can really dictate how interesting fights in PvP are.

Indeed it isn’t. But that person is more than welcome to get better gear so they can be stronger.

Nah, being able to destroy people is my reward for working to earn my gear.

Yeah no.

The stat template system was universally hated by the PvP community and it made people want to quit as a result.

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Most people don’t even get their upgraded gear doing pvp. They get it from PVE. It seems antithetical that gear obtained from PVE should dictate how well one does in PvP.

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I did more PVP in legion than any other expansion pack, because I was able to level an alt to 110 and just start doing bg’s. I even did DPS for a little bit and stepped outside of my comfort zone. In Legion I was actively playing my main resto druid, but also tried Demon hunter, frost mage, marksman hunter, and every other healer too. Even tried warlock.

Now I don’t have the time to gear all those characters so I just play my Resto.
Stat templates allowed me to just log in and play. Progression for me was collecting toys, mounts, increasing my artifact weapon, and earning honor talents/levels.

Then when BFA came along it was pretty much impossible to gear your character unless you did rated so I just used the PVP heirlooms and leveled characters through bg’s that entire expansion, didn’t even touch my main. I didn’t want to do rated I just wanted casual bg’s.

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I can confirm that I got from 0-1600 in the last 2 weeks of TWW S1 in basically just rags.

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PVE gear hasn’t been useful in PVP for years

Takes like a few hours of BGs to get full 665 honor gear which >>>>>> the pve gear people in top 5 world guilds have

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Remember having to grind M+ for your PvP BiS back in BfA? WEW LOL

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Ya bit of a drag but doing multiple forms of content was aight

nowadays everybody just tryna play as little as possible so they can quit again its weird

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ive never heard retail be more accurately or succinctly summarized.

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Most complaints just read like people are unhappy that there’s a game in the way of their goal or somethin

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that is exactly it- it feels like “omg ya mean i have to play more than 2 weeks to get max level gear in every slot, bah game is a scam”

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Yeah, I’ve been saying for a while that PVP needs to have gear removed from the equation.
PVP doesn’t fit in an RPG in the first place, and coupling it with RPG mechanics like gearing(and even worse now with crafting), it creates a crap experience where people with more gold just flatly do better.

PVP should simply be a match of CoD with fantasy classes. Take gear out of it, and absolutely completely separate it from PVE balancing. Even Legion didn’t go far enough to remove Ilvl from PVP.

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It effectively has been since…Dragonflight? You get full bis in pvp like 20x faster than in pve.

Gold doesn’t do anything in pvp aside from sockets which you can earn by collecting honor.

Idk why people who don’t play comment on pvp?

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