I miss deterministic gearing. Bellular nails it

I hear we are also supposed to flag OP for being abusive.

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Oh he does that a lot, heā€™s no better than HeelvsBabyface now

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Good luck. Last time I posted a vid of his, well. Good luck.

He likes the sound of his own voice WAY too much.
He brings up a point, then goes on and on and on, itā€™s like OMG enough.

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So your argument is that players can target a cloak thatā€™s time-gated, and thatā€™s ā€œdeterministic gearingā€ even though the cloak itself does very little to determine the actual system itā€™s tied to outside of allowing the player to use corruption affixes that they cannot readily attain outside of completely random chance?

Ok.

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Or bring back Bear Tartare for older content. Was such a timesaver.

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He is a very good salesman I will give him that.

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One thing will always be true, you cannot argue anything with those that truly believe they are right and are not willing to admit there is any issues with this game. They may be the last person logging in before the servers shut down some day, but there is 0 issues, ever.

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My argument is be careful what you wish for. You may like the process of doing that questline to get the cloak and then doing dailies and assaults to get vessels to get a key to enter a horrific vision to complete another quest just so you can upgrade it, but to many people that feels like work not a game.

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I donā€™t like BiS-hunting because all it ever amounts to is looking up a guide and having someone tell you whatā€™s good for your class. Thereā€™s no thinking, thereā€™s no tinkering, thereā€™s no experimentation.

I donā€™t like being ā€œdoneā€ with gear. I really like that I can help my friend in a Mythic that I outgear and that thereā€™s a chance, however small, to get something out of it for myself.

Itā€™s ingrained in players to chase the carrot to an upgrade, even if itā€™s only a .00001% chance to Titanforge to exactly how you want it. This is something players need to curtail in themselves and Blizzard will never be able to stop people from chasing this dragon.

Thereā€™s a compromise in here, somewhere, because I canā€™t stand getting the same slot of loot every single time. I get nothing but bracers and belts in 8.3 and itā€™s becoming aggravating, and thatā€™s where I start to miss deterministic gearing.

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Why? Weā€™ve had systems in the game previous to Legion that allowed us to target gear we wanted to target. This multi-layer RNG garbage is only about three years old, and the time-gated legendary is only a few years older than that.

Not buying this argument at all because it doesnā€™t make any sense.

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See, I would agree with this, if people werenā€™t making assumptions about those who arenā€™t coming to the forums to tell everyone how upset they are.

Many of us who are enjoying the game know there are problems with the game. It affects us in various ways depending on what weā€™re doing at any given moment, the biggest difference between players like us and those who normally come to the forums to vent, we donā€™t get emotional. We try to have constructive conversations that have more depth than ā€œBlizzard is bad mmkay!ā€ which is what we normally have on these forums.

There is also another thing to consider. Things that you think are problems in the game may not be problems for other people and they have every right to not care about your problem and to disagree and think there is not a problem there at all.

There has yet to be anyone on these forums who has said this game has no issue.

You have two groups of people:

People who are upset and come to vent here.

And.

People who are aware that the game has problems and continue about their business, maintaining emotional stability and either finding something they enjoy in the game to keep doing or (as I have done on several occasions) taking a break from the game.

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And when we get deterministic gearing back, forums will be full of why are only mythic raiders allowed to get good gear complains, oh i cant wait.

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here you go, your own words maybe you will understand

That was 5 days ago, maybe before you watch this video though.

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No because this guy actually added his two cents and not just linked a video saying ā€œThis guy is right!ā€

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I donā€™t. Your argument is that deterministic gear doesnā€™t work because of the Azerite system thatā€™s only existed in this single expansion, when it worked since the gameā€™s launch previous to it. Youā€™re speaking nonsense, and offhandedly quoting me doesnā€™t magically create a situation where anything youā€™ve said is true.

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There is still deterministic gearing though. Thereā€™s just so many additional avenues for people to get gear now that they think itā€™s only rng on top of rng instead of just being complementary. I still have a bis list of items from raids and dungeons. If I happen to get another piece of loot from some other source that increases my dps I donā€™t think thatā€™s bad. Iā€™m still going to target my bis pieces.

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ok, guess my argument is beyond you. Good luck.

There is never going to be a system entirely without RNG. It has never happened in the game before.

Because Bellular is trying to sell his own game with all the ā€˜good faithā€™ and vomiting ā€˜industry reportsā€™ SIX times a week.

Ever since Bellular touted himself at being ā€˜an Indy Developerā€™ (eventhough he hasnā€™t produced the game yet, but whatever gets his ego going), heā€™s been riding the wagon of public opionion so heavily the wagon needed skids instead of wheels.

Hereā€™s the whole point of Titan Forging and Corruption:

Get good gear by playing what you like instead of hunting for specific gear to play the things you like.

Is it perfect? No. But there will come a time when gear is irrelevant, usually M+ 12-15 gear or Mythic Raid Gear. Itā€™s literally up to the player to decide if they want to min/max themselves to death or simply look at their gear and say ā€˜Iā€™m goodā€™.

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