Hell that might just be a single questline and then we are back to the alliance pals angsting about xal’atath or the light
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This one doesn’t really work considering Void Elves were technically Horde just a few years ago.
Again - A part of the big complaint is the state the Horde was left in after BFA/Shadowlands. They’re left in shambles, and when expansions like these drop that don’t really forward the current stagnant and awkward place the Horde is in; instead, focusing on mostly neutral (and still, mostly Alliance) cast, it still leaves the Horde in that limbo state where it just feels incomplete to play Horde.
I don’t really think your argument has much of a leg to stand on when you’re comparing the two, considering the Alliance isn’t even close to being as worn now and broken as the Horde is.
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The intro video of this patch, the first thing you see upon logging it, focuses exclusively on Anduin and Alleria. Thrall is shown but not discussed.
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When discussing lore, I think using cut content to bolster an argument can be unfair.
But when all this mishegoss comes up… it reminds me of a line Thalyssra had at the end of Legion that was eventually cut before it went live - about facing off with Tyrande in Ashenvale.
She was blowing the War of Thorns secret before Saurfang and Sylvie even planned it.
Loose lips sink ships, Thalyssra!
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I can, because it gave us the worst Windrunner. 
I’ll believe it when I see it. Word from those who have the beta is that Gazlowe is nowhere, and “Wait and see—he’ll show up in the next patch” isn’t good enough. Short stories don’t prove anything either. Sometimes they’re just a way to fill in the blanks of what isn’t in the game.
Can you link to any post where anyone has actually said this?
What I expect is that there will be one short questline with Gazlowe, probably in the next patch, and then Alliance players will say “See, you got your Horde content! This expac is just as much Horde as it is Alliance!” Like the way someone tried to claim that questing in Ardenweald was more about Trolls than it was about Night Elves.
Depends on how it’s handled. If it’s “Let’s explore Goblin history/culture through a dungeon,” a la the War of the Ancients dungeons, great. If it’s “Goblins are being evil again,” then you’re darn right it’s not enough.
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That’s literally what I said. If Earthen are Alliance lore implanted into Horde, the same can be said of Void elves being Horde lore implanted into Alliance. So Midnight will be primarily a Horde expansion.
Depends. Horde might have home turf advantage in MN, but that’ll be scant solace if its cast of heroes is Alleria, Vereesa, Arator, Tyrande, Jaina in a blood elf Hallow’s End mask, and Liadrin replacing Thrall as the token Horde guy (standing in for Lor’themar, who died in the pre-launch event).
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I don’t really agree with this. High elves had been part of the Alliance since WC2, and never left. The blood elves split off, but high elves were a major fixture of Alliance story content. And the void elves are former high elves.
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They’re actually former blood elves that were kicked out of Silvermoon after being warned to not study void magic/Dath’remars teachings due to threat it posed to the Sunwell. They continued and than were exiled for it
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Initially yeah, but aren’t the bulk of them Silver Covenants who drank void juice after Alleria and Umbric were kicked out?
The playable ones at least, are former blood elves.
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I am well aware that if even a single Alliance character is involved it will immediately invalidate it being Horde lore, yes. It’s convenient that is the case because it’s obvious that Alleria will be involved, thus allowing Horde players to safely dismiss anything that happens as invalid. If Horde players ever have to interact with a character that is an Alliance race - not even just Alliance aligned - they rankle.
This would be the case if the High elves that joined the Alliance were of the Silver Covenant. But they’re not. Canonically they are Blood elves who left the Horde to rejoin the Alliance.
We don’t know that.
Not really there is t a parity here. I don’t think you would have horde players complaining if the main story which is focused on Andiun and Alleria as stated by the blizzard themselfs included a horde characters or 2. Like have actual parity.
You assuming future content would be horde heavy, which is seriously doubt. Just look at their track record, horde hasn’t been that involved in neutral content. Why you assume other wise is beyond me.
So you hand picking worst alliance content what about the entire night elf patch?
Ya Earthen to me felt like some they designed for the alliance but forgot to make a race for the horde so they made them neutral. I personally hate when the main 6 races become playable in the opposite faction. I hate void elf’s, especially now they can look like blood elf and aren’t restricted to void colored skin. Now earthen, this is going to hurt the game in the long run. 2 faction were great and core identity in wow, why take away from core races. Especially now when we can group up cross factions
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I think it’s currently unknown how many Void Elves are from Umbric’s original group of Blood Elf exiles and how many are Silver Covenant / Magister members who joined them after the fact.
It’s implied that the Player is one of Umbric’s original group of Blood Elves, based on the unlock quest and the opening dialogue. But people are free to RP their V.Elf as something else, just like a Human player is free to RP they’re not from Stormwind, even though the game says they are.
Apparently not, if “Horde players think Alliance characters have cooties” was your takeaway from that comment, but to put it another way: Midnight’s theater isn’t going to have much bearing on “Horde lore” if four of the five characters its stories are told through are Alliance.
FWIW, I neither want nor expect a reprise or inversion of that come MN; an expansion all about “elf unification” should, theoretically, break pretty even with faction representation; but observing the lopsided cast for TWW, that bet seems less sure than it was.
It’s also interesting that you raise the void elves as a counterpoint to earthen, because they are – or were – a race designed as thematic, even cosmic counterparts to their Horde mirror. Alleria and her void elves should absolutely have stuff to do in Midnight, but that stuff should defy your categorization of “Horde lore.” There would probably be more enthusiasm for Horde dwarves if something, anything, set them apart like that.
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Funny thing is if they had given the void elves to the Horde there would be far more parity in the expansion and just given the Alliance the high elves players were asking for back then. That way the horde would have their “cosmic” theme and a place in the story.
Even now the alliance has so many under utalised elements going into the next expac they could completely supplant any horde involvement in the story.
Take for example the Lightforged and draenei, you would think they would be very interested in a Naaru looking crystal buried in the planet and a faction of light wielders that have their own empire. The Sons of Lothar could play a far bigger part in the story there as well.
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I wouldn’t bet on that. There have been plenty of obvious openings for Horde characters/factions to fit into cosmic stories, and the writers have not used them so far.
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yea, they’ve had plenty of options to include the horde in the cosmic narrative but they ignore it. prob cause then they couldn’t have one of the alliance favourites do it
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Yes they could squeeze some horde representation in but it is not the same as having an entire races infused with “Void” or “light”.
Most of the Horde races lore is based on azeroth which is generally young in the scope of the universe.
The few things I could see them doing stuff with is the Trolls history with the black empire and exploring how they defeated them all the way back in the day. Perhaps the Loa could expand on this and teach a Troll witchdoctor some trick to prevent void corruption.
The Other option could be exploring An’she with the Tauren and maybe he is some. Almost would have been better if instead of another human empire it was a tauren tribe and beledar was anshe instead.
Issue with these is they require significant work to flesh out as blizzard haven’t done anything with them at all. Really need some books fleshing out some horde characters and racial lore to really flesh this out then bring it into the game.
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I mean the death expac only had the forsaken stapled on at the end, they are literally infused with death
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