On the other hand, Blizzard also gave the Alliance the moral high ground, so there’s an awful lot of "Oh yeah? Well, you’re evil" flying around in the opposite direction. The problem is that the kind of players who would “tease” about Theramore or Teldrassil won’t be affected by that accusation, and the players who would be affected by it wouldn’t “tease” about Theramore or Teldrassil in the first place.
They should have learned by now that this doesn’t work. If even a single patch goes by without significant content for one side, players will be unhappy. (CoughRobotCatCough.)
With how much screentime they’ve been giving to High Elves since Legion? Doubt.
“A couple”? The last time Thrall was a truly major character was in MoP, which ended in 2014. It’s been a decade, and people still won’t let it go.
This is why I try to avoid “who had it worse” arguments. Each faction has had bad experiences in different ways, each player has different story preferences and tolerances, so trying to argue whether this worm-eaten apple is worse than that smashed orange is simply an exercise in futility.
That happens, yes. But what you need to also remember is that is not just a Horde experience. Alliance experiences things like that as well.
So, yes it works both ways.
Can we agree that Blizzard screwed up most everything associated with the faction wars?
Yes. Though I do want to point out one key difference between then and now.
Then, when players were upset and asked if Blizzard was going to balance the disparity Blizzard said no.
Now, when players are upset and asked if Blizzard is going to balance the disparity Blizzard said yes.
I get what you are saying, and I don’t disagree with that statement. But, there is a distinct difference with this disparity that was not present in previous ones (multiple). Which is why I get frustrated with people that brush off the old disparities (that are not being balanced) but get upset about this one (that they promised to balance).
And let me be clear in case there is any misunderstanding. I do NOT want the Horde to get ignored. The old disparities should have been addressed back then, that ship has sailed. I am not suggesting TWW is balancing them, or even should. I don’t want the Horde to have to wait till next expac. Alternating expacs would be a BAD idea. Hopefully the next patch is the Horde part, and the third is shared equally/neutral. I want all players, both groups, to get good stories and their time in the light.
No it didn’t did you forget we had mount hyjal entire night elf zone for questing.
Really BFA was more horde story
I am speechless here, in legion we quest under alliance heroes save alliance cities how was this even or SL for that matter where we are lead by jaina and Bavor and save Tryanda and Andiun. While horde members are sitting around.
My guy your delusional, every neutral expansion alliance had more content. Horde gets next to no development out side of faction conflict.
no horde has a lot less content even if you count the villains batting. In any metric, less cities towns zones, quests. Has little to no representation in neutral expansions, like War Within. It is sad you have to go all the way back to Cata, while you can point to almost every expansion after and say it is alliance heavy.
Reason we do not count it as horde is because those said villains leave the horde. Furthermore it retcons the current lore both in MOP and BFA. Second it kills off horde characters and ruins the lore.
Villain development is not horde development as the villain. In return this just makes the alliance look better. In MOP and BFA horde lost majority of direct conflicts with the alliance. So not only does not the horde pc not want to be villains in our own story but then we are forced to kill off characters we have played with.
This is not true, in Legion, Shandowlands, Dragonflight, even war within Beta horde has a lot less content. It bluntly ignored existing horde lore to exclude them as well.
Legion: Orcs had resentment aganist the legion more so than dalaran but it was ignored never brought it. Orcish history is about getting rid of demonic blood and freeing the orcish people. Yet when the legion attacked it was all ignored.
Shadowlands: Despite have a race(orcs, Taruens) that worships and communicates with their ancestors they had no story in the shadowlands. Forsaken are literal undead but nothing in guiding us in the realm of the dead.
Dragonflight: where are the shamans, we are fighting dragon who use elemental magic and their underlings do so as well. Why are shamans involved in this fight?
So no historical patterns show that blizzard doesn’t include the horde out side of faction conflict. I can’t take their word for it, because to many times they have lied and ignored us.
The fact there is ZERO Shaman representation in all of Dragonflight is one of my biggest complaints for the expansion’s narrative. You’d think in an expansion all about the primal elements and an entire villain group based around abusing the elements, the Earthen Ring would’ve been front and center the whole time. But nope… not a single member of the Earthen Ring was anywhere important. Just a handful of NPCs tucked away in a cave doing F*** all expansion.
Just like how not a single Forsaken rep got to do anything important in all of Shadowlands. The only thing they got to do was clean up Undercity in the very last patch.
They force it on the Alliance to the detriment of players and a decent story. Blizzard wants the Alliance to be dumb and boring, it’s been that way ever since Mists. They want their dumb, morally righteousness of a sanitized Captain America WWII story. I don’t agree with it, but I understand why some fans are intentionally misinterpreting Turalyon’s characterization and want him to be a religious zealot to start a war.
Battle of Dazar’alor would have been less of a pyrrhic victory if the Alliance had the WWII-era Canadian military at their disposal.
Doesn’t really work on the WC2 “evil horde” fanboys that Blizzard loves to treat every time they kick off another dumb faction conflict at the expense of the majority horde players. Then there’s also the entire Sylvanas loyalist questline. Would have really loved a Alliance equivalent, but Alliance players are supposed to be Wrynn boot-lickers who love peace.
Blizzard acknowledges parts of the fanbase can be diverse, and at the same time write off entire sections because they don’t interest the dev team. It’s frustrating, and one reason why I want the factions abolished.
Blizzard would rather you didn’t play shamans right now.
As I acknowledged in my post: “The problem is that the kind of players who would ‘tease’ about Theramore or Teldrassil won’t be affected by that accusation, and the players who would be affected by it wouldn’t ‘tease’ about Theramore or Teldrassil in the first place.”
Which doesn’t amount to much. It was probably a good form of damage control, but it could really have been better handled.
Honestly, instead of more quests like that, I’d rather have them just not put our characters into compromising situations to start with.
Legion’s a weird example when it comes to faction representation because a solid chunk of it happened retroactively, as a secondary result of them adding void elves and needing to create a counterpart when bolstering BFA’s allied races feature. Because while I wouldn’t fault anybody for going through Suramar now and seeing it as horde content (simply because they’re playable), it really didn’t seem like such back when it was current content.
Which leaves Highmountain, which was horde-adjacent in at least the same way as LF draenei in a “they’re player model edits sharing the same themes”, although the latter more naturally shared their content with the baseline draenei due to Velen living long enough to have a personal connection to Argus.
I remember back then, I’d occasionally comment that it would’ve been neat if there was at least an orc as a supporting character to play on the irony that you’d have the horde “invading” yet another world, but this time against the Burning Legion while side-by-side with the draenei whom they had originally been tricked to turn against.
But even that got mixed responses because “we just had WoD as orc content”.
It acknowledged that there’s different types of fans within a faction. That’s huge, considering they’d prefer to treat factions as one-dimensional monoliths.
Yeah, and they were originally intending to do that with BfA too, which shows that that is their default preference. Just saying, it’s not particularly something to envy, as it was very unsatisfying.
tbf the last time someone tried to convince me there was a sizeable “evil horde” fandom on the Horde, they linked to a post where the bulk of the red likes came from posters trolling or giving pro-Alliance takes in the thread and the rest came from Alliance characters.
I’ve seen far more Alliance posters demand the Horde be evil than Horde ones.
The only reason anyone liked Garrosh initially was that people thought Stonetalon Garrosh was where they were taking his story.
I was one of those players. I thought Stonetalon Garrosh was what we were going to get, a hot-headed but still honorable Warchief who just wanted to make his people’s lives better. Then we get to MOP and we had the rug pulled out from under us with a “lols that was just a miscommunication! WC2 Horde is back!”
MMO-Champion had a pretty hardcore, pro-Garrosh fanbase back in the day. They were supporting everything he did. You cannot imagine the infighting, mainly between other Horde members of the forum. It was basically Garrosh vs Vol’jin fans. Countless threads, pages, filled with huge posts, etc.
