iirc it got confirmed to not have been the forsaken who built that
Oh interesting. Who was it?
I mean who else could it have been? A group of rogue humans that snuck in with very heavy stone construction, deep in Scourge and then Forsaken territory?
it was thoras trollbane
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Huh. Iâm supposing the area was cleared of Scourge at least temporarily at some point that allowed them to put the monument in place. Either way, thanks for digging that up. I do appreciate it.
**Edit: Kinda ironic that Trollbane is a member of the Four Horsemen now.
I would also like to thank you because I had no memory of that information.
And upon digging it myself, I just discovered that Terenasâ crown is buried in Stormwind Harbor, behind the lighthouse. What the hell? When did that happen.
Who knowâs my guess its by some living person who actually cares for the menethilâs
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Both of these things are new information to me. I mean, if I had to guess, maybe some of the Chronicles covered it? As to the where and how: Consider my curiosity peeked.
h ttps://www.wowhead.com/news/mystery-of-the-stormwind-lighthouse-unmarked-grave-solved-in-exploring-azeroth-319440
Apparently, itâs from the Exploring Azeroth series.
Amazing. I had literally no clue, all this time.
Wow, thanks so much for linking that. It also suggests that Trollbane was the one who smuggled the crown out. Which makes sense, considering heâs apparently responsible for the Terenas memorial just past the throne room in Lordaeron.
This was around the time Blizzard was initially prepping for Calia to be the replacement forsaken leader, written before the blowback started. Iâm guessing the then-intended plot arc to be âCalia steps in, crown mysteriously resurfaces in Stormwind, crown is returned to Calia to legitimize her ârightful ruleâ as queen.â
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Ah, gotcha. Appreciate you filling us in on that. Iâm a bit surprised I missed all of this.
Weirdly enough, this has only happened once. When Orgrim challenged Blackhand and won. Orgrim appointed Thrall has Warchief on his death bed. Thrall appointed Garrosh when he stepped down. Although Garrosh was dethroned, Volâjin was not part of the actual fight. And as such Volâjin is kinda the first democratically elected Warchief. Thrall puts forward him as Warchief and every other racial leader agreed. Volâjin appoints Sylvanas on his death bed and Sylvanas is the last Warchief of the horde. As she leaves the position on her own accord.
Meanwhile you did have others who claimed the title but either held it for a short time (like Nerâzhul) or were imposters. Like Rend Blackhand or Kargath Bladefist.
Iâm guessing it was done either when the Scourge was invading Quelâthalas or when the bulk of it went over to Kalimdor as part of the Legions invasion.
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I honestly think this is really your problem. You are reading in meanings that are not intended. It looks like you are balking at the word. Which means we probably canât go anywhere constructive from here.
The warchiefs were overthrown by violent rebellions. If you have to have a rebellion to overthrow the leader, than that government says you are bound to the leader(s).
Again, false. There have been plenty of Horde players calling for change to the Horde. Again, including in this thread.
You seem to have this idea that anyone saying something you dislike must be Alliance. Which is just weird.
The city was held by living humans, former soldiers of Lordaeron, for a while. They were the ones Sylvanas betrayed and slaughtered to take the city from. It happened in WC3. I am not sure exactly how long they where supposed to have held it in lore. The times between missions and exactly how long everything took in WC3 always felt a bit open ended to me.
Plus we donât know the state of the city for much of the scourge war. It could have been captured, lost, recaptured, etc a number of times while the scourge focused elsewhere.
But, while the Forsaken may not have built it, they also left it there. So, that would seem to indicate they didnât really have any negative feelings towards the old king. And it is positive emotions that were dulled, not negative ones. So, if they had any resentment towards him it should have still been there after being raised. It may not carry the same weight as them building it, but it still adds some depth.
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Garrosh was still challenged by Thrall. He just didnât want the role because was gonna go through the whole self doubt phase that heâs still apparently going through 10 years later.
Sylvanas was challenged by Saurfang. But because Saurfang died in the battle, he never took up the role. It was then dissolved.
So itâs happened a couple times during Thrallâs Horde.
The other was before this game.
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Those âviolent rebellionsâ arenât really that when they are perfectly within the rules.
Funny how I donât ever see them. Just Alliance or people who switched to Alliance.
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Only thing I see consistently is people wanting Thralls horde and what it stood for back and thatâs somehow treated as the worst thing ever by some people
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Thatâs definitely true. Itâs like they have blinders on and can only post that they donât want the faction war anymore. Something that only existed after others were Warchief.
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Ritualized combat, with rules and limitations and in most cases an expectation that both combatants could survive it, is not the same as a full on civil war.
Which we only had one full on civil war and that was when garrosh was warchief. Saurfang challenged Sylvanas to Makâgora to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and than Sylvanas bailed after receiving a cut and killing saurfang
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