10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by
Tirii
I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me before I end up just ignoring it eventually.
Two things: My flying mounts are 100% worthless as the only mount I care about when exploring such drudges is the travelling mammoth. It's got a repair and I can vendor trash, why use anything else?
Additionally, if YOU decide to ignore the world, that is YOUR problem. Stop implying it is a problem for everyone, it is not. I can explore more of the map if I am not restricted in my movement by cliffs or trash mobs everywhere.
I wonder, for those that like it, did you play before it was implemented?
I started 11/23/2004, opening day of classic. I've played without flight in Classic. I got flight on my main and all my alts (one of every class at 70) in BC, I even ground out the gold for my main and a couple alts like my Herb/Miner alt for fast flight in BC.
I've seen how much better Flight makes this game and it's not even close. This game without flight feels like a stale, unfinished half-assed product designed to make travel to the content you really want to do tedious, slow, and boring, and in a game that intended to be entertainment and not about the travel itself that's not a good thing.
Waiting on flight right now while we're stuck in this asinine time gate period of just endlessly repeating the same stupid WQs, running raids, and M+ just feels like you are waiting on them to finish making the damn xpack properly.
But I am ok with Pathfinder like I said. It's nice to have it open flight across the account. It's not bad to do the content once before flying.
It's literally just this obscene time gate where we don't know when Pathfinder 2 is coming that is causing such havoc and ruin on the in game experience with regards to flight.
I agree that they should tell us when Flying is coming. So I can sub accordingly, Flying + No new zone with no flying, I am out.
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by
Tirii
I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me before I end up just ignoring it eventually.
Two things: My flying mounts are 100% worthless as the only mount I care about when exploring such drudges is the travelling mammoth. It's got a repair and I can vendor trash, why use anything else?
Additionally, if YOU decide to ignore the world, that is YOUR problem. Stop implying it is a problem for everyone, it is not. I can explore more of the map if I am not restricted in my movement by cliffs or trash mobs everywhere.
I would say the Mammoth is worthless at this point, thats the pleb mount. Now the Brutosaur or the Yak, are complete different stories.
Additionally, you are the on ignoring the world. You are not finding the little nooks and crannies, the ways around those cliffs, trying to avoid those mobs and finding tricks on how to do it.
Nope, you are flying above far and away from all danger, including mobs and players, and missing 90% of the fine details the world has to offer.
It's stupid. We have already experienced the bulk of the content and/or what we wanted to experience via leveling. There's no reason to have us do a monotonous grind for achievements and reputations just to do something we could buy with gold after level cap in previous expansions.
The trend lately is to give us something to do, even if it makes no sense, sucks/boring, and very off putting.
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by
Tirii
Unpopular opinion here, but I love pathfinder. I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me before I end up just ignoring it eventually. And having a rep grind behind it, to me, feels like more of an accomplishment when I get it, rather than buy it with 'x' gold. Same thing with allied races.
I only started playing WoW at the very start of Legion, and just the other week I finished WoD pathfinder and still enjoyed it. Made me feel good to finally be able to hold that space bar.
I'm genuinely curious, why do people actually hate Pathfinder? Give me some of your opinions, I'd like to hear it from your side.
Pls be nice. :)
Not unpopular at all. Pathfinder is awesome and every whiny flying thread I see here brings a smile to my face because it shows how lazy people are. I didn't even "grind" to unlock pathfinder 1 and I did it awhile ago. All I did was mission tables and emissary dailies and leveled the full story.
I also love that it unlocks account wide so in WoD and Legion, I don't need to wait to max level and can fly from the start.
What's your blizzard employee number?
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by
Tirii
I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me before I end up just ignoring it eventually.
Two things: My flying mounts are 100% worthless as the only mount I care about when exploring such drudges is the travelling mammoth. It's got a repair and I can vendor trash, why use anything else?
Additionally, if YOU decide to ignore the world, that is YOUR problem. Stop implying it is a problem for everyone, it is not. I can explore more of the map if I am not restricted in my movement by cliffs or trash mobs everywhere.
Why are you replying here then if you NEVER use a flying mount. According to you that is which I am willing to bet $98247432 you use a flying mount at times.
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by
Tirii
I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me
You can do this any time you want. So everyone has to be penalized because of your lack of self control.
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Two things: My flying mounts are 100% worthless as the only mount I care about when exploring such drudges is the travelling mammoth. It's got a repair and I can vendor trash, why use anything else?
Additionally, if YOU decide to ignore the world, that is YOUR problem. Stop implying it is a problem for everyone, it is not. I can explore more of the map if I am not restricted in my movement by cliffs or trash mobs everywhere.
Why are you replying here then if you NEVER use a flying mount. According to you that is which I am willing to bet $98247432 you use a flying mount at times.
I am willing to bet that guy is on your side, and you are going to make a fool out of yourself, I bet 1,000,000 dollars,
Ooops too late, that already happened.
10/24/2018 01:43 PMPosted by
Izuul
It's stupid. We have already experienced the bulk of the content and/or what we wanted to experience via leveling. There's no reason to have us do a monotonous grind for achievements and reputations just to do something we could buy with gold after level cap in previous expansions.
The trend lately is to give us something to do, even if it makes no sense, sucks/boring, and very off putting.
Once again, I would really lvoe to know what Previous expansions you could do this in? there was one Expac you could just buy Flying, Cata, that is it. The rest had attuments first. You people are confused.
10/24/2018 01:43 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Additionally, you are the on ignoring the world. You are not finding the little nooks and crannies, the ways around those cliffs, trying to avoid those mobs and finding tricks on how to do it.
Nope, you are flying above far and away from all danger, including mobs and players, and missing 90% of the fine details the world has to offer.
So you're telling me you fly at the ceiling limit?
Because you don't know how I travel, I could be traveling on my flying mount at near ground level, you are completely ignorant.
Why are you replying here then if you NEVER use a flying mount. According to you that is which I am willing to bet $98247432 you use a flying mount at times.
I am saying why use any other ground mount or flying mount on the ground if I have the travelling mammoth that has a vendor and repair on it? Why use anything else? Once flying is unlocked, I can easily use my favorite flying mounts, such as the netherwing drakes that I worked weeks to get, and when I need a repair or vendor, I can summon a traveling mammoth and take off again.
But no, apparently it's either or. Black OR white.
10/24/2018 01:43 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Additionally, you are the on ignoring the world. You are not finding the little nooks and crannies, the ways around those cliffs, trying to avoid those mobs and finding tricks on how to do it.
Nope, you are flying above far and away from all danger, including mobs and players, and missing 90% of the fine details the world has to offer.
So you're telling me you fly at the ceiling limit?
Because you don't know how I travel, I could be traveling on my flying mount at near ground level, you are completely ignorant.
Haha, HA.
No one flys at ground level, save that crap for someone who doesn't play the game.
You fly out of range of players and mobs, to completely avoid damage, all the time. That is the most stupid system I have ever seen in an MMO.
I would be completely fine with flying mounts, if they were reigned in. A limit to use time, a height limit to range, that keeps them within range of players and mobs. Those are not realitys in wow, which is what makes flying a a joke, and WOW a joke to the majority of players in other mmos.
You guys say your HC, when you cant even handle low tuned RPG world content. Gimme a break.
10/24/2018 01:53 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
No one flys at ground level, save that crap for someone who doesn't play the game.
yeah, clearly
no one ever does. Obviously. Never happens. Millions of players and literally nobody ever flies low, always at sky ceiling, no in between, no different preferences.
10/24/2018 01:53 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
No one flys at ground level, save that crap for someone who doesn't play the game.
yeah, clearly no one ever does. Obviously. Never happens. Millions of players and literally nobody ever flies low, always at sky ceiling, no in between, no different preferences.
Sky Ceiling =/= Ground Level.
10/24/2018 01:53 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
I would be completely fine with flying mounts, if they were reigned in. A limit to use time, a height limit to range, that keeps them within range of players and mobs. Those are not realitys in wow, which is what makes flying a a joke, and WOW a joke to the majority of players in other mmos.
You guys say your HC, when you cant even handle low tuned RPG world content. Gimme a break.
Ohhh I see now. You're one of those "But he's flying so I can't gank him" type of guy even though this exists https://www.wowhead.com/item=163604/net-o-matic-5000 (It's 100 yards range)
So instead of allowing others to play how they want to play, you want them to play how YOU want them to play. I see I see.
We used ground mounts while leveling to max before Pathfinder was a thing. Plus there's nothing stopping people from using them if they want to. I actually pay more attention to the world when I fly because there are actually things I miss seeing at ground level and it also gives a new and different perspective. If there's something in an area I want to see I will explore the area - what mount I use to get there is irrelevant. And after a few months of riding over the same terrain I don't even pay attention anymore except to swear when my kitty gets stuck on a pebble or crack.
Having said that I actually like the idea of pathfinder. I like achievements and having flying account wide is nice. What I don't like is that it feels like a list of chores, most of said chores don't have squat to do with flying, and it takes too long to actually unlock flying. By the time you actually get flying it's more of a relief than a sense of accomplishment like most achievements give.
10/24/2018 01:53 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
I would be completely fine with flying mounts, if they were reigned in. A limit to use time, a height limit to range, that keeps them within range of players and mobs. Those are not realitys in wow, which is what makes flying a a joke, and WOW a joke to the majority of players in other mmos.
You guys say your HC, when you cant even handle low tuned RPG world content. Gimme a break.
Ohhh I see now. You're one of those "But he's flying so I can't gank him" type of guy even though this exists https://www.wowhead.com/item=163604/net-o-matic-5000
So instead of allowing others to play how they want to play, you want them to play how YOU want them to play. I see I see.
Oh yes, because that exists...
Yes please blizzard give me a toy, to fix a clear issue. And then, make it so that toy has a 100m range to someone thats already 100m or more, and then give it a 4 second cast time. Oh and then lets add some more insult to injury, and lets make it to where it notifys the player, when I start that 4 sec cast!
What a great tool blizzard, thank you so very much.
If you dont want to get ganked, Turn Warmode off, it really is that easy.
However I will agree, as an avid WPvPer my biggest concern with flying is WPvP.
You actually just gave a great idea. Up the rewards from WM to 50% and increased loot drops, and disable flying when WM is enabled. Do that, I got zero qualms with whatever non WM people do or dont do, I dont play their game.
10/24/2018 02:04 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Yes please blizzard give me a toy, to fix a clear issue. And then, make it so that toy has a 100m range to someone thats already 100m or more, and then give it a 4 second cast time. Oh and then lets add some more insult to injury, and lets make it to where it notifys the player, when I start that 4 sec cast!
What a great tool blizzard, thank you so very much.
If you dont want to get ganked, Turn Warmode off, it really is that easy.
Bingo! I found the issue!
You really ARE the type of player that wants to force people to play how YOU want them to play. Nice! Didn't have to look too far.
Now that we know where your problems with flying resides, may I suggest you stop attacking players over their freedom of exploring the world? Or should we encourage blizzard into making the game even more on rails than it is now?
Pathfinder is awesome and every whiny flying thread I see here brings a smile to my face because it shows how lazy people are.
It always impresses me when people say you're lazy because you don't want to grind drudgery in a video game.
I remember a period in my life when I worked 2 jobs, 1 part time and one full-time+ while attending graduate school full time. I slept 3-4 hours per night and worked on my graduate research on the weekend. I suspect I'm one of the less lazy people here.
10/24/2018 02:04 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Yes please blizzard give me a toy, to fix a clear issue. And then, make it so that toy has a 100m range to someone thats already 100m or more, and then give it a 4 second cast time. Oh and then lets add some more insult to injury, and lets make it to where it notifys the player, when I start that 4 sec cast!
What a great tool blizzard, thank you so very much.
If you dont want to get ganked, Turn Warmode off, it really is that easy.
Bingo! I found the issue!
You really ARE the type of player that wants to force people to play how YOU want them to play. Nice! Didn't have to look too far.
Now that we know where your problems with flying resides, may I suggest you stop attacking players over their freedom of exploring the world? Or should we encourage blizzard into making the game even more on rails than it is now?
Force people the way I want to play =/= Destroy an entire game mode.
May I suggest that players stop trying to destroy an entire game aspect that is WPvP, because they dont partake in it?
Read my edit, I made a solution for blizz.
Here it is again,
You actually just gave a great idea. Up the rewards from WM to 50% and increased loot drops, and disable flying when WM is enabled. Do that, I got zero qualms with whatever non WM people do or dont do, I dont play their game.
However, an extremely large portion of the playerbase, does play with WM, and hindering our game style to help yours is no different that what you are accusing me of. If you look back, before this WM change, there was more players on PvP servers than there was on PvP ones. That doesn't mean all of them flag WM, but to act like WPvPers are any sort of minority is a reach.
10/24/2018 02:09 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
May I suggest that players stop trying to destroy an entire game aspect that is WPvP, because they dont partake in it?
If they don't do WPvP, why do they matter?
Your true colours finally showed up.
10/24/2018 02:09 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Force people the way I want to play =/= Destroy an entire game mode.
"But you don't play how I want you to play, it's not fair, blizzard please remove flying because I don't like it"
10/24/2018 02:09 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Here it is again,
You actually just gave a great idea. Up the rewards from WM to 50% and increased loot drops, and disable flying when WM is enabled. Do that, I got zero qualms with whatever non WM people do or dont do, I dont play their game.
However, an extremely large portion of the playerbase, does play with WM, and hindering our game style to help yours is no different that what you are accusing me of.
I wonder how PVP servers used to play back in WoTLK. Everything must have sucked so bad, right?
10/24/2018 02:09 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
May I suggest that players stop trying to destroy an entire game aspect that is WPvP, because they dont partake in it?
If they don't do WPvP, why do they matter?
Your true colours finally showed up.
10/24/2018 02:09 PMPosted by
Dæmônic
Force people the way I want to play =/= Destroy an entire game mode.
"But you don't play how I want you to play, it's not fair, blizzard please remove flying because I don't like it"
Once again, read the edit. Over half of this Playerbase, plays on PvP servers, you dragon slayers are the minority friend.
PvPers complained about Flying for so long, that pathfinder has become increasingly more prevalent.
Like I said, I dont give a crap what Carebears do, disable flying in WM, and increase the rewards for toggle to offset no flying and I am sure none of the PvP community will care how the PVErs unlock their flying.
[quote="207684395335"]Here it is again,
You actually just gave a great idea. Up the rewards from WM to 50% and increased loot drops, and disable flying when WM is enabled. Do that, I got zero qualms with whatever non WM people do or dont do, I dont play their game.
However, an extremely large portion of the playerbase, does play with WM, and hindering our game style to help yours is no different that what you are accusing me of.
I wonder how PVP servers used to play back in WoTLK. Everything must have sucked so bad, right?
Hit the Forums bb, that was the beginning of the end of WPvP, Late BC was actually, when people in large numbers began to get flying mounts.
Blizz gave up on WPvP, however take a look around, they are aiming highly to fix it in BFA, with WPvP Chieves, new systems, ect. Lets not turn around and destroy it because some carebears want to fly sooner.
None of this actually matters anyway, Players have been complaining about flying reqs since Mist launched and we had to Farm CS rep, and blizz has not backed off, they have actually made it harder. They have made it brutally clear, through 3 expacs of your crying they dont care what you think about flying. They already compromised, if you remember they were going to remove it completely from current zones form then on in WOD, Pathfinder was the compromise.