Pathfinder 1 is fine. Pathfinder 2 can suck a massive D I C K
Flying should be available at the launch of the expac just like it always was before the Incompetents took over. Once you complete the requirements you should be able to fly.
For me for 10 years that was getting to max level and paying a license fee.
Haven't bought an in-store mount or another xpac since this Pathfinder nonsense started and I won't ever again unless and until PF is gone or optional and I can fly at max level again.
I don't pay Blizzard so that I can spend my precious gaming time doing chores. I'm having much more fun in ESO now -- as much as I ever did when WoW was fun to play and more than I have in the last five years.
Pity too, because I used to love this game.
For me for 10 years that was getting to max level and paying a license fee.
Haven't bought an in-store mount or another xpac since this Pathfinder nonsense started and I won't ever again unless and until PF is gone or optional and I can fly at max level again.
I don't pay Blizzard so that I can spend my precious gaming time doing chores. I'm having much more fun in ESO now -- as much as I ever did when WoW was fun to play and more than I have in the last five years.
Pity too, because I used to love this game.
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I like it for the first month, I get to use my ground mounts, have an objective to strive for...
After that month it becomes a burden, no reason to not have flying, completing WQs becomes a chore after getting Pathfinder pt.1 that completely unmotivates me to go out and do some WQs, so the time I spend playing I am either AFKing in Boralus or checking my mog waiting to someone accept me in M+ or waiting for my guild to go raiding.
After that month it becomes a burden, no reason to not have flying, completing WQs becomes a chore after getting Pathfinder pt.1 that completely unmotivates me to go out and do some WQs, so the time I spend playing I am either AFKing in Boralus or checking my mog waiting to someone accept me in M+ or waiting for my guild to go raiding.
10/24/2018 12:33 PMPosted by VelaraFlying should be available at the launch of the expac just like it always was before the Incompetents took over. Once you complete the requirements you should be able to fly.
For me for 10 years that was getting to max level and paying a license fee.
Haven't bought an in-store mount or another xpac since this Pathfinder nonsense started and I won't ever again unless and until PF is gone or optional and I can fly at max level again.
I don't pay Blizzard so that I can spend my precious gaming time doing chores. I'm having much more fun in ESO now -- as much as I ever did when WoW was fun to play and more than I have in the last five years.
Pity too, because I used to love this game.
the OG devs, fought tooth and nail, to not having flying.
No other Succesful MMO, has flying, even most the wow clones, dont add flying.
Flying is a cancer this game should have never implemented to begin with. This is a good compromise.
I personally dont care about pathfinder either way, I care about flying. If they want to let it be a gold dump, in 8.2 thats fine. However flying needs to go away for the majority of the expac, for the current content.
I wonder as well, as someone asked, those okay with PF, when did you start? they used as Wrath players dont like it. Quite the opposite, I played in Vanilla and some BC, but never seriously, then in late Wrath I came back. I hated flying then, I hate flying now. Flying was why I left in BC, and went back to DAoC.
10/24/2018 12:37 PMPosted by ElthunisI like it for the first month, I get to use my ground mounts, have an objective to strive for...
After that month it becomes a burden, no reason to not have flying, completing WQs becomes a chore after getting Pathfinder pt.1 that completely unmotivates me to go out and do some WQs, so the time I spend playing I am either AFKing in Boralus or checking my mog wiaiting to some accept me in M+ or waiting for my guild to go raiding.
People did the same thing in cata where everyone could fly everywhere. The only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP. If you are a city sitter, than you will always be a city sitter, flying or no flying wont change that.
10/24/2018 12:33 PMPosted by VelaraFlying should be available at the launch of the expac just like it always was before the Incompetents took over. Once you complete the requirements you should be able to fly.
For me for 10 years that was getting to max level and paying a license fee.
Haven't bought an in-store mount or another xpac since this Pathfinder nonsense started and I won't ever again unless and until PF is gone or optional and I can fly at max level again.
I don't pay Blizzard so that I can spend my precious gaming time doing chores. I'm having much more fun in ESO now -- as much as I ever did when WoW was fun to play and more than I have in the last five years.
Pity too, because I used to love this game.
I love how for 1 xpac, it was that way, now all of a sudden the incomps did it. You couldn't fly at launch of BC, only Wrath and Cata, in the case of Wrath, 90% of people could not afford flying mounts at first those that had them still had to get Cold Weather Flying. Cata, flying was a joke, and nightmare, so they fixed it in MOP with the rep grind, then they saw people circumvented it too quickly. So they updated it again.
You people seem to act like flying was always this buy it and your done. It was far from that, it was a rep grind in BC, for a mount even, it was expensive in LK, it required Cloud Serpent rep for the majority of Mists.
Never in the history of this game, outside of Cata, where you able to just come in and just fly.
Since you asked, OP, here are my two coppers:
TL;DR at the bottom for those who'd prefer to skip the specifics.
I don't think I'm a 'special snowflake'; you can look at my achievements, my reps and see that I don't mind working to get things in this game. I don't have a 'gimme, gimme' attitude and want things handed to me. I never asked for or wanted flight while leveling. I never once completed all the content of an expansion and then came crying to the forums about "nothing to do".
But since I started WoW towards the end of BC, flight has been something that has always been in the game for me. It has always been a reward I worked my tail off for gold to be able to buy it at max level. So to those of you trolling and telling us to ‘earn it’: we DID earn it, by doing enough content to make it to max level and doing enough content to earn the gold to buy it long before gold was so easy to get.
HOW I worked for that gold (to buy it with) was MY choice, it was up to ME. I could hustle on the AH or run raids or whatever, it wasn't some laundry list of things I might otherwise NOT CHOOSE to do (like Pathfinder is). Pathfinder took away more than my ability to buy flight at max level. It took away my choices on when and how to earn it.
Now, I can't earn it until Blizzard decides they want to put it into the game. I can't earn it until I play the game the way Blizzard dictates I should play it and complete their list of chores that gate it. Do you understand how taking away my choices is taking away freedoms?
Sometimes I use my flying mounts to just soar over the landscape and appreciate all the hard work the art team has put into the world - there are some amazing and breath-taking vistas out there that you wouldn't be able to see from the ground. It's fun. Do you know that you can loop-de-loop on your flying mounts? That’s fun, too. So is racing a friend to the ground on a flying mount and playing chicken to see who bails first.
I like to unwind after work by flying around and picking herbs or mining, or flying to favorite fishing spots or pet battles. The act of flying my dragons is relaxing to me. I have a choice of where I want to go, how fast I want to get there, and if something interesting catches my eye (like a rare, treasure, pet battle master, etc.) then I can stop and check it out. I can't do that on flight paths or with the flight whistle. So just flying around looking for stuff I may have missed and gathering mats is relaxing for me. It's fun.
I have spent a lot of time, gold and real life money on my flying mount collection. When the devs decided that in order for me to use them (use them as flying mounts, not ground mounts) I now have to complete a long list of chores that they have deemed ‘necessary’, I feel like:
• They’re trying to tell me how I’m supposed to play the game (that I PAY for) and
• only their way is “fun” (It's really not).
They’re also taking away things I have already worked hard to get. Why would I spend so much time, gold, effort and even real life money on a mount that won’t work the way it was intended? If I wanted to play a game on rails (i.e. play with a pre-determined path to get places/rewards/etc., limited choices) there are other games besides WoW that I could pick.
I have limited time to play. If that makes me a ‘filthy casual’ then so be it. Because I have limited time to play the game, I don’t do a lot of alts. I focus on my main and maybe 1 other toon and that’s it. So the whole argument about the achievement opening up flight for an army of alts means nothing to me. I realize most people DO have a lot of alts, and in that respect, Pathfinder may be perfect for them. Good for them. I hated every second of it and truly resent the devs for their passive-aggressive middle finger way of giving flight back to us.
Wait until it’s something that YOU really care about in game and the devs decide that you now have to do all these extra things to re-earn it, even if it’s stuff/chores you wouldn’t normally do because you don’t like it. When they take away YOUR choices, perhaps you will understand.
TL;DR – Player-controlled Flight = choices and freedoms. I resent being told how to play, not being able to use flying mounts that I have earned or bought with real money, and having to wait for Blizzard to decide when they want to give us the carrot. Flight for flight’s sake is a fun activity for me. It’s more than just a faster mode of travel and Pathfinder can go diaf.
TL;DR at the bottom for those who'd prefer to skip the specifics.
I don't think I'm a 'special snowflake'; you can look at my achievements, my reps and see that I don't mind working to get things in this game. I don't have a 'gimme, gimme' attitude and want things handed to me. I never asked for or wanted flight while leveling. I never once completed all the content of an expansion and then came crying to the forums about "nothing to do".
But since I started WoW towards the end of BC, flight has been something that has always been in the game for me. It has always been a reward I worked my tail off for gold to be able to buy it at max level. So to those of you trolling and telling us to ‘earn it’: we DID earn it, by doing enough content to make it to max level and doing enough content to earn the gold to buy it long before gold was so easy to get.
HOW I worked for that gold (to buy it with) was MY choice, it was up to ME. I could hustle on the AH or run raids or whatever, it wasn't some laundry list of things I might otherwise NOT CHOOSE to do (like Pathfinder is). Pathfinder took away more than my ability to buy flight at max level. It took away my choices on when and how to earn it.
Now, I can't earn it until Blizzard decides they want to put it into the game. I can't earn it until I play the game the way Blizzard dictates I should play it and complete their list of chores that gate it. Do you understand how taking away my choices is taking away freedoms?
Sometimes I use my flying mounts to just soar over the landscape and appreciate all the hard work the art team has put into the world - there are some amazing and breath-taking vistas out there that you wouldn't be able to see from the ground. It's fun. Do you know that you can loop-de-loop on your flying mounts? That’s fun, too. So is racing a friend to the ground on a flying mount and playing chicken to see who bails first.
I like to unwind after work by flying around and picking herbs or mining, or flying to favorite fishing spots or pet battles. The act of flying my dragons is relaxing to me. I have a choice of where I want to go, how fast I want to get there, and if something interesting catches my eye (like a rare, treasure, pet battle master, etc.) then I can stop and check it out. I can't do that on flight paths or with the flight whistle. So just flying around looking for stuff I may have missed and gathering mats is relaxing for me. It's fun.
I have spent a lot of time, gold and real life money on my flying mount collection. When the devs decided that in order for me to use them (use them as flying mounts, not ground mounts) I now have to complete a long list of chores that they have deemed ‘necessary’, I feel like:
• They’re trying to tell me how I’m supposed to play the game (that I PAY for) and
• only their way is “fun” (It's really not).
They’re also taking away things I have already worked hard to get. Why would I spend so much time, gold, effort and even real life money on a mount that won’t work the way it was intended? If I wanted to play a game on rails (i.e. play with a pre-determined path to get places/rewards/etc., limited choices) there are other games besides WoW that I could pick.
I have limited time to play. If that makes me a ‘filthy casual’ then so be it. Because I have limited time to play the game, I don’t do a lot of alts. I focus on my main and maybe 1 other toon and that’s it. So the whole argument about the achievement opening up flight for an army of alts means nothing to me. I realize most people DO have a lot of alts, and in that respect, Pathfinder may be perfect for them. Good for them. I hated every second of it and truly resent the devs for their passive-aggressive middle finger way of giving flight back to us.
Wait until it’s something that YOU really care about in game and the devs decide that you now have to do all these extra things to re-earn it, even if it’s stuff/chores you wouldn’t normally do because you don’t like it. When they take away YOUR choices, perhaps you will understand.
TL;DR – Player-controlled Flight = choices and freedoms. I resent being told how to play, not being able to use flying mounts that I have earned or bought with real money, and having to wait for Blizzard to decide when they want to give us the carrot. Flight for flight’s sake is a fun activity for me. It’s more than just a faster mode of travel and Pathfinder can go diaf.
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I don't mind not having flying during an expac. But, the idea of not having flying on a previous expac only makes leveling of alts even more ridiculous, which makes less people likely to do it, which makes less things to do in game, which makes less people playing the game.
the OG devs, fought tooth and nail, to not having flying.
More false statements by you. Please stop.
10/24/2018 12:53 PMPosted by DæmônicThe only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP.
Flight didn't do anything to WPVP.
But it's nowhere near as bad in BfA as Legion was, like not even close.10/24/2018 09:02 AMPosted by AstyaDaze and dismounting mechanics are a good chunk of the reason I hate being stuck on the ground. I know there are things you can get to prevent it, but I just want those mechanics to not exist at all, ever, in any more games for the rest of time.
I would even consider it not much of an issue anymore, but perhaps you're going places I'm not, so fair enough :)
10/24/2018 12:57 PMPosted by Phydeauxthe OG devs, fought tooth and nail, to not having flying.
More false statements by you. Please stop.The only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP.
Flight didn't do anything to WPVP.
Yep your right man, Thats why they implemented flying first patch, and not after new devs came in in BC, and said lets add flying and old devs said no......
Thats why we have had non gated flying for every expac in this game.
And no, people able to fly above all the players that would be killing them has zero effect on WPvP at all........
You people need classic, so you can get a reality check.
Pathfinder is not the problem, the time gate is. 8 months after an expansion drops to get to fly is too long to wait.
Agree 100%10/24/2018 01:09 PMPosted by ShamageddonPathfinder is not the problem, the time gate is. 8 months after an expansion drops to get to fly is too long to wait.
People did the same thing in cata where everyone could fly everywhere. The only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP. If you are a city sitter, than you will always be a city sitter, flying or no flying wont change that.
That's the thing, I hate being a "city sitter" I play games to have fun, and sitting on my main city isn't fun at all, however, WQs are filler content and by nature we don't feel motivated to do filler content unless we have a reason to do it, so we either try to complete as far as possible or we don't at all.
I like pathfinder because its free and altfriendly once you unlock it with your main. What i dont like is not being able to fly until mid expantion.
It never bothers me.
10/24/2018 01:10 PMPosted by ElthunisPeople did the same thing in cata where everyone could fly everywhere. The only change was, less interaction and the utter destruction of WPVP. If you are a city sitter, than you will always be a city sitter, flying or no flying wont change that.
That's the thing, I hate being a "city sitter" I play games to have fun, and sitting on my main city isn't fun at all, however, WQs are filler content and by nature we don't feel motivated to do filler content unless we have a reason to do it, so we either try to complete as far as possible or we don't at all.
Its filler content to you, you are also a minority. This is still at the end of the day, an RPG, and in RPGs, you complete QUESTS. Go Play AI on league if you dont want RPG Aspects. There has to be some similar Dragonslayer game, I just dont know of any.
10/24/2018 01:11 PMPosted by SêraxI like pathfinder because its free and altfriendly once you unlock it with your main. What i dont like is not being able to fly until mid expantion.
"I like Pathfinder due to it being friend and a fun grind, However I hate the very reason it was implemented in the first place" Good luck with that.
Yup. I like Pathfinder.
I like how flying isn't available Day 1.
I like how I know that when the expansion ages a bit I'll eventually have flying to look forward to. And when I DO finally get flight, I'll appreciate it much more for having had to run around on the ground the first half of the expansion.
I like how flying isn't available Day 1.
I like how I know that when the expansion ages a bit I'll eventually have flying to look forward to. And when I DO finally get flight, I'll appreciate it much more for having had to run around on the ground the first half of the expansion.
I like the mixture of being on the ground and then being able to fly. Very freeing.
That said, I think i'd like at least a little incentive to fly and do world quests. Hopefully we'll get paragon caches back.
That said, I think i'd like at least a little incentive to fly and do world quests. Hopefully we'll get paragon caches back.
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by TiriiI only started playing WoW at the very start of Legion, and just the other week I finished WoD pathfinder and still enjoyed it.
I wouldn't mind it as much if it could be done all at once without any gating other than the requirements of the achievement. What I dislike is having to wait until mid or end expansion to finish unlocking it to be able to fly in current content. I've finished pathfinder 1. I did all the quests in all the zones and have explored them all on the ground and have the proper rep with all the necessary factions. I'd like to be able to fly now.
Having to wait until an undisclosed point in time is just Blizzard's way of giving us flying in the current xpac only when it's nearly irrelevant because they don't really want us to fly at all. It feels like rubbing salt in a wound. It feels like punishment when I haven't done anything wrong. It doesn't feel fun.
For me, flying is a huge part of what makes the game fun. When my first character hit level 60 and was finally able to fly, it's like an entirely different world opened up for me in game. New things to see; places to explore. I like not being tied to just what I can see between flight paths. I like being able to go where I want, when I want, how I want. I like when the game is as close to an open sandbox for me to play in as possible. I want to see mountain peaks at eye level rather from the base looking up.
I'll be honest and say I also like the increased efficiency of flying. I don't do dungeons or raids and world mobs still hit hard and take time to kill. I'm tired of getting dismounted by little bunny rabbits running through Drustvar and having to fight a pack of deer and risk death just to get to a node of ore. Truthspeaker here at ilvl 351 is finally feeling fairly capable out in the world, but my other 120s aren't as far along and are still struggling.
Blizzard has taken so much sense of character progression out of the game, and character progression is a huge part of what makes this kind of game fun. One could even argue it's the point of this kind of game. Everything scales so you no longer regularly out level zones as your character gains levels; there's no sense of feeling stronger until the very end of the expansion. Flying gives me back some sense of progression. My character is max level and now can fly. Woohoo! Instead, my feeling is more, "my character is max level and now things will continue to hit me like a truck until I fight to get my ilvl up high enough to where I have a fighting chance if I wander off of a road too far."
By no means do I want flying handed to me before my character is max level; I have no problem with the developers and artists wanting players to experience and enjoy the questing and the environment the way it was designed. But once I do that on half a dozen alts, and I'm still many months away from any of then being able to fly; I kinda feel like I've seen and done all there is to see and do other than repetitive world quests (that I already did when leveling through the zone the first time), and I'm ready to take to the skies.
Edited to fix typos.
I started 11/23/2004, opening day of classic. I've played without flight in Classic. I got flight on my main and all my alts (one of every class at 70) in BC, I even ground out the gold for my main and a couple alts like my Herb/Miner alt for fast flight in BC.10/24/2018 11:23 AMPosted by NamajunasI wonder, for those that like it, did you play before it was implemented?
I've seen how much better Flight makes this game and it's not even close. This game without flight feels like a stale, unfinished half-assed product designed to make travel to the content you really want to do tedious, slow, and boring, and in a game that intended to be entertainment and not about the travel itself that's not a good thing.
Waiting on flight right now while we're stuck in this asinine time gate period of just endlessly repeating the same stupid WQs, running raids, and M+ just feels like you are waiting on them to finish making the damn xpack properly.
But I am ok with Pathfinder like I said. It's nice to have it open flight across the account. It's not bad to do the content once before flying.
It's literally just this obscene time gate where we don't know when Pathfinder 2 is coming that is causing such havoc and ruin on the in game experience with regards to flight.
10/24/2018 08:56 AMPosted by TiriiUnpopular opinion here, but I love pathfinder. I love that I actually get to use my ground mounts and I love actually seeing the world around me before I end up just ignoring it eventually.
Just because you chose to fly instead of using your ground mount doesn't mean that everyone else should be forced to use our ground mount when we want to fly. At any given point since flying was implemented, with rare exception, flying was optional. Nobody forced you to fly, and that is not an excuse to force everyone on to the ground.