Due to ranked arena players destroying casual bg players like myself I have permanently quit max level bgs until gearing is fixed
I’ve been wanting to play bm hunter in battlegrounds for a long time now and no joke its literally a night and day difference playing scaled lv 59 bgs and not lvl 60 bgs.
I can’t believe that blizzard has allowed pvp in their game to get to a point where it actually encourages people not to queue Max level bgs due to insane power creep locked behind a rating wall.
I will of course eventually hit 60 on this toon, but I already party sync my lv 60 alts into the 59 bracket anyways.
I really do encourage people to do this as well. The 59 bracket is actually a LOT of fun. It’s almost like twinking.
In fairness, you have about the same opportunity as horde/alliance to being on the superior side though these days it does seem more likely to win cuz of horde, but I would never say anything for certain without sustainable, actual data
Having said that, I would suggest playing a rogue, druid or some other class that can offer something even while a bit undergeared. I played 5 BGs as my 205 ilevel resto shaman and sure he dies pretty fast sometimes, but we won all 5 games and I was either the top or second top healer simply because I focused on helping the better gears, etc. and knowing the role.
This isn’t a humble brag or even trying to say things are working as they should; they are not and I think anyone can do it if they put their mind to it. I mean at least it’s trying to have fun as much as possible? More fun than coming onto the forums to post how you are not going to play?
Outside of official feedback sources which Blizzard has ignored since before this nonsensical gearing system went it it’s highly unlikely posting things on here are going to have much of an impact at this point.
I will say I have a few toons in the 50s but haven’t bothered yet to do what you are doing though it sounds like a great idea if you want some peaceful games. You sure if you do that on your own it’s not considered illegal by Blizzard?
Ah yes, the “I refuse to do max lvl pvp bc the requirements for getting acceptable gear (not the highest one) are being moderately competent at my class, instead I’ll do party sync and be at a 100% advantage compared to the folks leveling in bgs. This is "bery skillfullz.”
Yeah, me neither. All I do right now is level up alts through PVP in the 51-59 bracket and it’s a lot more enjoyable than max level PVP.
Having played nothing but 51-59 bracket lately, someone who party syncs at 60 isn’t at as much of an advantage over a lower level player in that bracket as someone is at level 60 with honor gear as opposed to someone with conquest gear at max level. You don’t have any conduits or legendaries.
Some people just don’t want to do arenas/RBGs and get their required conquest for the week. Some people just want to hop into a PVP game and have some fun. Right now the barrier to entry to enjoy max level PVP is high enough that it’s just not interesting in the slightest. 1600 is about where my skill level is. It wouldn’t take me a lot of effort to get there. But yet I just do not care to do so. Especially when PVP is so whack right now anyway.
If you can’t beat them join them. What do you expect the casuals to do? Rated content shouldn’t be forced and the result is people doing what they can to avoid said rated content.
All this does is introduce the “levelers” early to the horrible gear gap that they will be facing once they hit max level and thus the cycle continues. More people start to realize everyday how much easier gearing low level characters for BGs is, compared to max level PvP and that also doesn’t include all the people who have discovered party syncing into lower BGs.
This is a Blizzard created problem/cycle that will only get worse as more people catch on. The queue times for Max level pvp will only continue to get longer
Where is it written that a casual player can’t queue 2s for a couple of hours total and get to 1600?
Yes, the situation isn’t ideal (everyone agrees with 1 honor set 1 conquest set and I personally would like the old t2 wep upgrade to remain) but quite honestly most of these folks are just lazy.
Some folks simply don’t enjoy the rated environment for a variety of reasons. And it’s not because they are scared, lazy, bad at PVP as the “only” reasons as our “git gud” folks like to project. (Some would self admit this but not everyone lol.)
Why would someone who doesn’t generally want to PVP in a box and has played the game competitively for many years in their chosen PVP environments all of a sudden be “queuing up for 2s for a couple of hours” ?
Could they do it? I think “anyone” could get to 1800 eventually and a lot would be able to go higher.
This reply could potentially be the most retarded thing I have ever read in my life. It is truly a monolithic achievement to actually type words that are so incomprehensibly wrong and you being confident enough to post them.
You must be new to the game because there used to be one honor set and 1 conquest set In previous expansions.
Having to do rated content in item level 160 blues in order to upgrade your gear that you buy with conquest is fundamentally detrimental to people playing PVP for fun.
Finally, you also clearly don’t pvp or have done any party sync bgs but being lvl 60 in the 59 bracket with just normal honor gear offers little to NO advantage. If you have elite conquest gear that’s different. But that’s completely besides the point and not at all what I wrote in the post.
Please use your brain for once. (Waiting for a “tldr” response)
I played 2s for a couple of hours and got to 1100… Anything is easy when you grossly exaggerate the amount of time required to get to a decent ilvl.
I play when I can. It’s not laziness, it’s responsibilities. Prior to Shadowlands I was able to casually obtain some pretty good gear and compete in random battlegrounds without feeling like I was at a disadvantage. Not like now. Now it’s worse than ever. I should know, I’ve been a casual player since MoP. I haven’t changed in years, the game did, and when it did it left me out.
First off, while I agree with your sentiment, party- syncing into lower level BGs shouldn’t be a thing.
Secondly, going into the 50s bracket, where all hunters specs are egregiously outperforming most other specs, isn’t particularly impressive either. I’ve played in multiple games where there are 7+ hunters between two teams, and they all think they are the hottest thing since sliced bread.
However, i do agree this is a symptom of max level pvp being so neglected, both in balance and gear acquisition, that leads people to do this…
I was agreeing with your post up until here. Basically you don’t like the power creep because you get demolished, but then you say you its a LOT of fun to do this, and it feels like twinking…
Twinking is essentially playing a max level player with the top gear against someone that isnt geared, so youre promoting the same problem that exists at max level. Giving off a lot of hypocrite vibes
Feels like i’m gotta spend all week grinding honor to max while the silver spooned premades getting carried by Glads can have max gear by the end of the day.
This is what most of these non stop whining players are, the difference however is that at max level the game is actually about making your character stronger so it is expected of you to gear it up.
Meanwhile at the lowbie brackets 90% of people just want to leave it and get to max level, yet taking advantage of this is “very balanced”.
The best gear you’ll see in the 51-59 bracket are BFA mains and alts who ran at least M+10 during BFA. The Azerite gear will be 135il and their cloak likely 155 or so. Plus the Azerite gear has weird pacing where there is way more Stam and main stat that equivalent gear.
I popped a 51 alt in and had 24k with potato buff and didn’t upgrade one thing until 60.
