I often see people reference how the alliance abandon the High elves during the scourge attack. Did the alliance As we know it even exist at the Time? Stormwind was sacked during the war, and I’d imagine was still rebuilding its kingdom. Leaving lorderon in charge of the alliance? But lorderon already fell to the scourge?
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Basically Garithos and Alliance (Pretty sure Ironforge soldier were also there) were sending them to suicide mission, and when they needed help most, Horde reached out to them (first).
It’s kinda like Suramar’s storyline in a sense.
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Not entirely. In the years after the Second War the Alliance fractured apart between internal disagreements and lack of interest in staying together. Deathwing’s manipulations also drove the nail home. The high elves severed ties with it, as did Gilneas and Stromgarde and other kingdoms. Alterac were traitors. So the Alliance of Lordaeron wasn’t in good shape.
And that was all before the Third War started. When the Scourge appeared the remaining Alliance wasn’t nearly as strong as it was when they fought the orcs. So when Lordaeron fell everything else crumbled with it. Stormwind was far to the south and not involved.
The high elves lost soon after Lordaeron. The remanant Alliance were in no position to help anyways, not that Garithos even wanted to. The elves were completely unprepared for it.
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Horde apologists often blame the sack of Silvermoon by Arthas on the current Alliance. It’s a common tactic being used by them to justify the Blood Elves decision in joining the Horde.
No, it’s not the same Alliance. The one back then was called the Alliance of Lordaeron.
The Alliance of Lordaeron had largely collapsed already by the time the Scourge went knocking on the Elves’ door in the Third War, so there was no garrison there to go against the Scourge advance.
Even if there was, there wasn’t an army that could stand up to the Scourge especially with Arthas leading the assault.
The reason that the Argent Crusade was created and the Argent Tournament was held was because Highlord Tirion Fordring knew that the Lich King wanted to face a large army - so that he could turn them all into Undead. The only hope of defeating him was to form a small, elite force of the Alliance & Horde’s most powerful champions to bypass the bulk of the Lich King’s forces and attack the Lich King directly with the power of the Light and the legendary sword Ashbringer - which is particularly powerful against the Undead.
Attacking the Lich King with a huge army would have just made him more powerful.
You have to remember that the Scourge had pre-staged a lot of the things that setup the fall of Lordaeron. That is, the Cult of the Damned, grain poisoning, and later shipping in undead (Nuberians and Vrykul, etc) from Northrend. Lordaeron was primed to fall and went down some time before Quel’thalas did. By the time he invaded Quel’thalas, there wasn’t much force left anywhere in the region to contest him.
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What does that even mean?
People who apologise for the Horde?
Horde who apologise?
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He treated the dwarves just as badly as he treated the blood elves.
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I don’t see them being sent to suicide mission so no.
So during the events of burning crusade why did blood elves join the horde?
Also keep in mind that the Alliance (yes, of Lordaeron, but several of the current races of the Alliance still belongs to it, so to say it’s an entirely different Alliance is an “Alliance apologist” move and disingenuous) once they refused to help Silvermoon, when Kael’thas went desperately seeking help for his people, the naga agreed to help.
Upon which, Garithos imprisoned the Prince and his men, not only intending to prevent them from saving their people but also to execute him.
The Thalassians had very good reason to leave the Alliance and humans in particular. The only ones who didn’t officially leave were (some of, not even all) the Thalassians who left earlier with Jaina to Dalarn. They also did not help their people in their time of need.
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The intro quests explain this the best.
When the introduction quests begin, you as a blood elf are not a member of the Horde. The introduction zones, including the Ghostlands, tell why you join the Horde. The Alliance send spies of night elf and dwarven persuasions to spy on the blood elves, and sabotage them. The Horde (Forsaken primarily) on the flip recognize a common enemy and join with the Blood Elves.
When the blood elf PC (you) find the Windrunner amulet while clearing scourge out of Windrunner Spire, that’s one of the crucial steps. Sylvanas ultimately paves the way for blood elves to join the Horde and the blood elves taking care of their own problems with their backs against the wall makes the Warchief see that you’re worth it.
TLDR: The Alliance sent spies to steal from, gather intel and sabotage the blood elves. You take out the dwarf and night elf spies repeatedly. The Horde sent actual help. The blood elves sided with the people who actually aided them in a time of need.
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Because they desperately needed help. Kael’thas was maddened by the fel, Lorthemar and Rommath were disgusted and afraid about the fact that Kael’thas not only wanted them to draw mana from artifacts (which, btw, the “high elves” also did, while basking in the ambient mana-rich environment of Dalaran) and vermin, but also the fel.
The Horde was initially not really enthused about bringing the Sin’dorei into the Horde, but Sylvanas spoke up for them as their former Ranger-General who laid down her life for them when Arthas attacked.
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There is a LOT of animosity between the Thalassian and Kal’dorei elves and has been for centuries. The fact that the Kal’dorei are part of the Alliance and their mutual antipathy is another reason why the wide population want nothing to do with the Alliance.
Y’know, not to mention Jaina’s murder-rampage on every Sin’dorei living in Dalaran, including those who’d lived there for hundreds of years.
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When? i’m pretty sure everyone knows that was just Arthas being the crazy corrupted psychopath he is/was turning into.
And no, i don’t need that small detail to justify them joining the Horde.
And i’m pretty sure there is no reason for Blood elves not to be playable Horde side other than the “muh elves” people.
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It’s a bitter-sweet thing to remember Sylvanas was once a character with emotions and motivations, back before they gave her WoW’s idiot-villain ball and turned her into a cacklingly evil moron.
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The high elves once were a formal part of the alliance in fact they were so trusted that they taught the first humans mastery of magic but then fate intervened for the worst and it ended their allegiance to the alliance
A racist xenophobic human general with a bad attitude 100 times worse than illidan kept using the high elves of quel thals as cannon fodder and would send them up against unwinnable odds in which illidans Naga forces offered them assistance against the coming scourge and Arthas
Well he saw the cooperation between them and accused them of betrayal and colobration with the enemy thus sending his entire military to commit genocide so they fled to outland in order to survive and joined illidans forces willingly but some broke away and followed kaelthas back to quel thalas and helped to rebuild Silvermoon city in the aftermath of the scourge assault and as a tribute to their fallen renamed themselves Blood elves and after the betrayal of kaelthas when he showed his true motives as a servant of the legion lordamar took the leadership and was instrumental in their joining the horde with the assistance from Sylvanas due to her past ties as the former ranger general of quel thalas
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Sunreavers probably shouldn’t have been stealing the divine bell then.
In the same vein, Alliance “apologists” blame the massacre of the Draenei on Draenor by the orcs in the old Horde on the current Horde. They also aren’t the same.
That said, the main reason for Blood Elves not joining the Alliance are the Night Elves. Tyrande sent spies into Eversong Woods and saboteurs into the Ghostlands (aided by an Alliance emissary sent by Ironforge), with military encampments also built in the Ghostlands. One sanctum in Eversong was already sabotaged by the Sentinels, with others found to be targeted.
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Later conversations between Liadrin and Thalyssra in the Nightborne recruitment quest also indicated that the Tyrande had also spurned the Blood Elves’ attempt to join the Alliance at some point.
Nope, it didn’t. No gilneans, no dark irons, no Draenei, no night elves, no stormwind humans, no kul tirans aside from Jaina, etc.
This is why it’s so preposterous when Anduin says ‘the alliance is responsible for Arthas and Daelin’ when the current Alliance had literally nothing to do with them.
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The horde DIDNT exist on outland it was simply a peaceful collection of scattered orc tribes sure they had the occasional skirmish and minor tribal clashes but they maintained a friendly rivalry with even the Draenei refugees from Argus even going so far as trading supplies for knowledge etc
It was only due to the dark influence of nerzhul that caused most of the clans to become insane thru the ingestion of the blood of mannoroth thus turning them into the felblood orcs whuch promptly began to slaughter the peaceful Draenei forcing them to flee another home and ended up crashing the exodar on Azeroth after stealing it from the legion
"As the centuries passed, the night elves’ new society grew strong and expanded throughout the budding forest that they came to call Ashenvale. Many of the creatures and species that were abundant before the Great Sundering, such as furbolgs and quilboars, reappeared and flourished in the land. Under the druids’ benevolent leadership, the night elves enjoyed an era of unprecedented peace and tranquility under the stars.
However, many of the original Highborne survivors grew restless. Like Illidan before them, they fell victim to the withdrawal that came from the loss of their coveted magics. They were tempted to tap the energies of the Well of Eternity and exult in their magical practices. Dath’Remar, the brash, outspoken leader of the Highborne, began to mock the druids publicly, calling them cowards for refusing to wield the magic that he said was theirs by right.
Malfurion and the druids dismissed Dath’Remar’s arguments and warned the Highborne that any use of magic would be punishable by death. In an insolent and ill-fated attempt to convince the druids to rescind their law, Dath’Remar and his followers unleashed a terrible magical storm upon Ashenvale.
The druids could not bring themselves to put so many of their kin to death, so they decided to exile the reckless Highborne from their lands. Dath’Remar and his followers, glad to be rid of their conservative cousins at last, boarded a number of specially crafted ships and set sail upon the seas. Though none of them knew what awaited them beyond the waters of the raging Maelstrom, they were eager to establish their own homeland, where they could practice their coveted magics with impunity.
The Highborne, or Quel’dorei, as Azshara had named them in ages past, would eventually set shore upon the eastern land men would call Lordaeron. They planned to build their own magical kingdom, Quel’Thalas, and reject the night elves’ precepts of moon worship and nocturnal activity. Forever after, they would embrace the sun and be known only as the high elves."
Thalassian Elves, the High Elves, who renamed themselves the Blood Elves after 90% of their population were killed during the Third War, have a long history of contention with the Night Elves.
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