Or is it still dreadful.
wiggles toes
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If you can get into a 15 of any key and finish it, you should be able to change the key with the broker dude at the end of the dungeon
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15 lower? Most prob not, the m+ dungeons are way too overtuned this season and Blizzard doesn’t seem to care about it.
at a 15 lower is fine
Time is still an issue, even with few deaths and no major wipes. The bosses and trash just take way too long, and too many people get lost or confused due to the varying routes that tanks take.
Try to overgear it as much as possible and check that people know boss and trash mechanics before inviting them.
True, but some people are stuck at +10-11 Lower Kara and need to time a 15 or they won’t be able to get KSM.
Nothing seems to be an issue for you. Average and casual players should take your opinion with a grain of salt.
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It’s not practically impossible anymore, but it’s still kind of a pain to do.
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When I say 15 is fine, that means for a 15. It isn’t too far out of line for what you’d expect a +15 key to be.
Yes & I’ll help you time it if you want toe wiggler 
If you’re feeling brave I have a 21 Lower 
True, compared to previous seasons and expacs, but I still think that Lower Kara+15 is the hardest this season and people join groups for it not knowing what they’re in for.
Been doable for a while now
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No, if anything dungeons are mostly undertuned for how strong we are.
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That is not mutually exclusive with it being in line with the expected difficulty of a +15.
No they are not, quit being delusional young man. Most of the player base doesn’t even go past a 10 key let alone 15.
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yeah!
to me it feels like ~2 keylevels harder than the other ones now. like if youre barely doing 20s for the other ones you can probably do this one at 18 or so.
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15s are basically 10s right now. The only non-trivial dungeon is maybe Lower.
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Devs and hardcore players have different expectations than the typically skilled player.
You may say “It’s easy, just git gud!” in response to everything, but OP seems genuinely concerned about Lower +15 and I think they need to be warned that it’s no cakewalk for many groups even after the nerfs.
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Well excuse me dear, but step outside of the “good player” bubble and you will realize that a lot of people are actually indeed bad.
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Yeah, I know, that’s why I’m doing low 20s and not high 20s, but everybody goes at their own pace and most people start from the bottom.
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May take you up on that offer.
wiggles toes
Not tonight though. Gonna raid.
it’s abit of both. You’ll need to have people know what to do. The hardest part would be 1st boss since people doesnt seem to know what interrupt is at that level. And be picky w/ who you bring. You’ll need good dps on maiden tp break the shield