I Hate The New Talent Trees So Much

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This is just my opinion. But I really do. Unfortunately I am unable to post in the Dev forum, so going to rant here.

First let me start with a fundamental flaw with the new trees. Both Class and Spec trees have DPS abilities and mobility/survivability talents. While this was fine back in Vanilla when we didnt have that many talents. It doesnt fit modern WoW.

My suggestion is that the Class tree only contain core abilities at the top that is essential to every spec. Then the lower part of the tree focus only on health regen, avoidance, and mobility talents.

The Spec tree on the other had should only have DPS talents that are core to your spec and all the other talents should be taken out.

Now for example lets look at Enhance Shaman, keeping in mind I have also looked at DK, Rogue and BM Hunters and they share the same issues.

Here is a link to WoW Head of my talent choices for example.

When I take the talents I need (not want) in the spec tree, I am unable to get to Feral Lunge, which is super annoying. You should not have to choice between a mobility and DPS talents. This just isnt how modern MMOs do talent trees anymore. Feral Lunge needs taken out and put in to the Class tree.

On the other side on the Class tree, If I take essential talents for Enhance, I am not able to take Earth Elemental or Earth Shield. To even get close to them I would have to take LAVA BURST… Like WTF… Why is a KEY elemental shaman ability like LvB even doing in the class tree? This all makes no sense. Also Thunderstorm down at the bottom?

Another annoying thing is Totemic Projection talent. Why is this talent even in the trees?

Anyway, feels like the devs just through a bunch of talents into the trees without actually thinking about how they would be used by the players. Needless to say, I would rather keep the boring talent trees we have now then loose so much functionality. But thats my opinion. Not saying I do not want talent trees, I just want organized trees that are not chaotic.

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Nah personally I like it and hope they keep it like once their finished adding onto it in the next few expansions they just leave it

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On one hand, I am like its Alpha, things will improve before release. But then I am worried also when Ion says “We been working on DF before Shadowlands”…

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I like the talent trees, because I can focus specifically on bonuses to healing increasing my healing range, manipulating my healing abilities to get bonus things, and be able to focus on the healing and support aspect of the game. The part of the game I like, which feels like a step away from the idea that healers are being pushed into DPSing.

I’d personally prefer they didn’t make Lava burst the automatic spell you get as a shaman, and instead ancestral shift, or windshear.

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I feel the same about a lot of the spells. We have went for years even at the start getting core abilities from learning from trainer and then automatically learning as you leveled. Now stuffing them into a tree feels odd. On one hand, it gives the players more choice of what to take, but it can also confuse new players. LavaBurst being a great example. WTH is it way up on the tree and only used by Ele. Its going to confuse some Enhance players just starting out in the game who grab it thinking its going to be part of their rotation.

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Yeah Dragonflight is Steve Danuser’s first expansion thats fully his though so hoping he can pull it off after being left with the mess of BFA and Shadowlands which people who don’t know how development works blamed all on him

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I like it. Way better than what we have.

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Yea any Cake is better then a turd pie. But my argument is that the trees are chaotic and not organized and they are going to end up removing some core utility from many classes.

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Pally, drak and shams will be the best in DF for at least the start of it. Rets that is.

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Really? Because I managed to get Earth Elemental and Earth Shield just fine.

Remove the 1 point you have in Swirling Currents and the 2 points you have in Go With the Flow and you’ve got the three points you can spend on either Lava Burst/Chain Heal, Earth Elemental and Earth Shield. As for Feral Lunge, just swap out Elemental Blast for Feral Lunge when it’s needed.

The entire point of the new talent trees is for you to make key choices based on your playstyle. You will NOT be able to get everything you have right now, which is the entire point.

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Anyone who’s upset with their tree should go take a look at the Feral & Guardian druid trees.

They broke up Berserk into 4 pieces and you have to take all 4 pieces (in different parts of the tree…) to build-a-berserk back to what it is, now.

Anybody else have 1 ability split into 4, and you have to spend into different parts of the tree to get them?

Yeah, didn’t think so.

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Not without taking Chain Heal or Lava Burst you cant.

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Why are you taking kick when you might not need it, why cap totem, why would you ever take spirit walk over gust of wind, why are you taking purge, why are you taking tremor totem, why are you taking surging shields, etc. You have choices now and you’re not making any of them, just trying to generically get everything you have now for no good reason.

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NO good reason? Becuase I use them NOW…

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So you always use kick, every single raid encounter? Same with cap totem? These things are 100% NOT meant to be cookie cutter build a spec and never touch em again, if you use them that way you are going to fall behind really really fast.

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Then take one of those two abilities.

Clearly the intent Blizzard is going for with Enhancement is to make it so that Earth Elemental and Earth Shield are no longer key abilities of that spec, and they are instead abilities key to elemental and restoration.

By the way, lava burst would work just fine as Enhancement as an option because, and this is true, you have Maelstrom Weapon, which reduces the cast time of your next spell by 20% per stack. So here’s the idea. You’re in combat, you’ve got your opponent dotted up with Flame Shock, you get 5 stacks of Maelstrom Weapon and BAM, cast Lava Burst instead of Lightning Bolt.

Because you’ve got the opponent dotted up with Flame Shock, your Lava Burst will crit 100% of the time and Improved Maelstrom Weapon means that your Lava Burst will deal an additional 20% damage on top of that (25% since you also took Focused Maelstrom). Hell, if you remove the 2 points you also took from Improved Lighting Bolt, you could put one point into Fire and Ice (to further increase Lava Burst damage along with all your other abilities that deal fire damage) and say Brimming with Life, drastically increasing your survivability with Reincarnation cooling down much faster as long as you’re at max health.

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No it wouldnt. You dont understand the difference between Maelstrom and Maelstrom Weapon Stacks. Those are two different energy/power types.

Clearly the people who dont have a problem with the new talent trees either like what they have to choose from with their class/spec or just simply do not understand how their class or another class works.

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I’ve messed around with every available tree on Alpha and it feels good to me for the most part thus far. I love it.

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For the first time I have not had early access to a WoW build and with big changes like this it really stresses me out not being able to test them. Hopefully I will get alpha or an early beta key soon.

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I literally play a shaman, so yeah I know exactly how Maelstrom Weapon and the stacks of Maelstrom Weapon function. Try again.

Each stack of Maelstrom Weapon reduces the cast time of your next damage or healing spell by 20%, you can get a maximum of 5 stacks (10 with the Raging Maelstrom talent), which reduces the cast time by 100% making whatever spell you cast an instant cast. With how retail functions right now, the main ability used with Maelstrom stacks is either Lightning Bolt for ST, Chain Lightning for AoE or Healing Wave if you need a self-heal.

Currently Enhancement Shamans don’t get access to Lava Burst, which is an Elemental only spell. So naturally you wouldn’t think to use it as Enhancement, given that you don’t have access to it right now. But with the 10.0 pre-patch you will be able to get access to it, making it an option for you to use in a DPS rotation. Since you’re naturally using Flame Shock as part of your core Enhancement rotation, any Lava Burst that you cast will crit 100% of the time, making it deal a significant chunk of damage.

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