WoW in a nutshell.
The issue isn’t “what others have”, it’s that Blizzard, ever since Nighthold, has tuned the raids on the assumption that everyone steps foot into the raid having already fully geared up via M+.
Which means if you don’t fully gear up via M+, the raid is overtuned for you.
They need an iron curtain around M+, just like they put around PvP, to wall it off from the game’s general gearing. M+ items shouldn’t work in raid, raid items shouldn’t work in M+.
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My raid logging guild and I cleared raids just fine back then. I didn’t start doing keys until the end of SL S3 and there wasn’t truly a need for faster gearing until they added 13 item levels to the seasonal jumps in DF S3.
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Would you be fine with mythic raiding being overall nerfed if the iron curtain approach is less likely to happen?
A lot of ppl like getting gear from both raids and keys and using said gear in both pillars.
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What makes Mythic raid fun is the mechanics. If you mean nerfing it by removing mechanics, that’s bad. If you mean cutting the boss health in half so that you never see the mechanics, that’s also bad.
That’s what killed Heroic raiding - there’s barely any prog anymore because the bosses just fall over, even a couple weeks in.
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No it would not.
It would just ramp up the gear reqs.
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As we have seen MANY times in the game’s history.
Back when ilvl was king, Blizzard would announce a new round of welfare gear, and people would say “oh that will increase my ilvl to where people want, so I’ll get into groups”.
And every time, they were warned that the gear requirements would go up, along with the gear rewards.
And every time, that was correct.
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I geared an alt in half the time and surpassed my main, so I’m going off my experience. In terms of High Key prep or Mythic Raid prep.
Yeah, and you did it by “spamming high keys and getting ridiculous gear indefinitely”?
I get pointing out the hyperbole makes you feel good… but it makes me just question your intelligence trying to grief over it. A smart person understand what I’m trying to say. But anything for the higher ground these days amirite??
The rewards from Mythic+ outpace all other content period. Did I dumb that down enough for you?
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this is objectively wrong.
crests caps anyone from any kind of grinding or w.e dumb tactic you think you came up with in your burned out head.
the only time of abusing that exists is high up on the cutting edge rink and thats for the first two weeks of the season. everyone and i mean everyone that just plays normally and thats withing reason ( 2 dungeons a day 2 raid nights a week and a delve here and there ) are pretty much stuck at the same level and climb at the same speed. you can farm hero pieces early on and be ahead by a few ilvls sure. you might even get lucky and get some bis that boost your scores. but in the end everyone is going to get kneecapped by the weekly crest.
now if you cant literally play the game. then thats a you problem not a game problem.
cut the bs.
oh and before you say some other dumb thing. yeah people can get lucky in a mythic raid. and get a few free crests ups but nobody is head and shoulders above everyone else unless they got fed gear by multiple teams and alts.
They don’t outpace the rewards from mythic raiding.
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It’s not just hyperbolic, it’s inaccurate and vague to the point of being meaningless. The point you’re trying to make is vastly undermined by the fact that everyone who does know about the rewards systems knows they don’t work in a way that supports what you’re saying.
You can farm hero track gear from mid-level keys, and then gearing through M+ slows to a trickle as you rely on the weekly vault entirely.
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so youre going to conveniently ignore that m+ rewards are knee capped by weekly crests right?
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Which makes it, at all times, faster than raiding, during prog.
(And easier.)
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This is true until next Tuesday. The crest cap has just barely provided enough gilded crests to keep up with my vault rewards and crafted items. Next week, ppl can farm crests until their eyes bleed.
you think it takes 20-30 minutes to clear 8 m+ dungeons? yikes
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I raid, mythic+, delve, and world quest to build up my characters. Only thing I really don’t do is pvp anymore. This game has all sorts of avenues to get gear, sorry that you only like one. But, that is your choice. If you choose to not only not do various forms of pve content, but insult people that do, then that is on you.
When visions come out, I will do that too.
Also, it can be easier to bring up alts thanks to the crest achievements that lower the amount of crests it takes on alts. That achievement also makes it so you can convert to the next crest, which is sweet! That is something I am mindful of when I am upgrading on my main for sure.
? yes that 655 ilvl piece of gear is going to take me so much further when i cant even upgrade it 4 times a week lol
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