i miss having a filler ability to mash on my havoc demon hunter. 
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cough you mean you hate demon blades? cough
however I’m with you there, i think bite coming back but actually worth using would be better then simply removing it.
It’s merely 1 ability but that single ability made the class feel smoother to play over the current design which a lot of other DH’s refuse to admit.
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Because it’s actively untrue.
Not spending multiple globals actively generating fury = more time spending fury = smoother gameplay.
Like if you enjoyed mashing a button for the sake of having direct control over all of your fury generation that’s one thing, but it was a rotational speed bump every time it was ever played over the years.
Even when DBlades was a random chance to generate fury instead of guaranteed.
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Demon’s Bite never made the class feel “smoother”
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but it did. You guy’s claim it didn’t yet Demon Blades was buffed in damage and fury gen because the feed back in the beta was “ The class plays slower then before and is less engaging”
And then the class was buffed like 5 times in a row before you even got anywhere decent. So clearly someone here is lying and from feedback of the beta plus the DH forums and majority of people complaining i think we know who is lying.
Granted i get it Demons bite was good to use but make the class smoother 100% and they could bring it back but actually make it worth using
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Been playing DH since BFA and never had I ran Demon’s Bite and felt the game play was better than Demon’s Blade / Felblade combo.
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Was never because they got rid of demons bite. They nerfed several sources of fury generation and i believe demon blade generation was nerfed earlier on too.
There are a select few people like you who advocate for demones bite back - these select few people always turn out to either not play the class or play world quests as challenging content.
Theres BARELY downtown ever rn as havoc, most of the time you’re over capped on fury.
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on my DH right now “most of the time” you’re correct…
However, there are moments where I’m auto attacking waiting on CD’s. I’m guessing later in the xpac, we’ll have more haste and those moments will go away…
However, today. It’s almost like playing Arms with the white damage. LOL
Demon blade fury gen wasn’t nerfed it was actually buffed early on and then buffed again totaling a 20% increase in fury gen AND it was given increased damage.
They swapped your main fury gen to Immo Aura, due to sigils being removed and it was still bad.
Its like people didn’t bother to actually watch the changes.
Next up most people aren’t advocating for Demons bite to come back because it was better but simply because it made the class feel smoother in terms of gameplay.
But point still stands that after they removed the abilities havoc then got buffed over and over and over because it simply was bad and sluggish and i mean so bad you guys were in D tier in both raid and M+ until this recent buff that buffed u all around.
The changes weren’t good obviously if the spec had to be buffed so many times in a row, its just that people like you are coping so hard when in reality havoc gameplay wise sucks. Got nothing new added to it and suffered hard for them to buff every single ability you guys have now in order to keep you relevant so you wouldn’t complain about devourer being better.
it felt smoother to you because you wasted a ton of fury in the logs you have
you never once cared about your resource because you had demon bite to pick up the slack. once you stopped wasting 1000+ fury per boss you will realize how smooth the spec is without demon bite
Yea your right i did waste fury but go ahead and check out how much raiding or anything i did on that toon. I joined WW late and played that class towards the end and decided i will simply enjoy myself and wait for the next expansion to actually do end game content.
I abandoned DH, While i did enjoy it, i didn’t enjoy the meta build which is why when i heard they would rework and remove bloat for some classes i was excited to only see that DH got nothing in return.
But you know what’s REALLY funny is that plenty of people like you always go to logs to prove something which never ends up working for them. Everything else i said was right about the spec and you cannot even deny that otherwise you would have said something besides bringing up logs.
Plus i think there is a lack of understanding when i say smooth. When i mean smooth I’m talking about the rotation of the class and how it looks having Demons bite feels great for the class as it feels like it fits in however it was just bad overall which is why i hoped for midnight to make some meaningful changes yet Havoc got nothing but loss of abilities and a few good passives with a lot of mediocre ones.
Again in the end you guys only got buffed to stay relevant and not complain otherwise Havoc on a whole needs to be reworked. I stand by this and will not change my mind
Again though, they removed sigil, nerfed felblade. They had to compensate so they buffed the AA generation from blade. Had nothing to do with removal of bite since NO ONE was playing it anyway.
These tuning changes had nothing to do with fury generation, the recent tuning was damage changes.
The class is smooth. Very smooth, very fun.. Some would say the funnest..
But you don’t seem to play DH/Havoc? You started end expac of war within and stopped playing it from your own words.
Who said it had to deal with Dbite? i never once mentioned the class was being slow due to bite removal i said the class became sluggish after the changes they did aka the removal of half the class with no new abilities.
And i also do not understand where you get along the lines of these recent patches with fury gen? I’ve stated that the fury gen increase was “early on” aka meaning the testing phase which they gave 20% increase of fury gen on Dblades you know the thing that Dbite used to give/damage increase because the class was extremely sluggish during that phase.
Not to mention you didn’t even lose much fury gen besides felblade and sigil’s which from what i understand most people are glad it’s gone.
They then made Immo Aura your new fury gen due to loss of sigils so let me be clear here. overall the only thing you really lost was felblade fury gen amount. Therefore there should of been nothing wrong with the class in that instance right? yet here we are Havoc getting buff after buff for what reason?
People like you claimed the stuff they removed wasn’t needed yet then the class suffered majorly after the removal and then there are people like me who are advocating for them to rework the entire spec. The only difference is that i believe they could bring back DBite and make it something actually useful yet you cannot comprehend this because you are okay with being in your circle of safety and rather not see the class actually change or be better.
If anything what i find funny is that They simply took what DBite had which most people complained then gave it to DBlades and you go around saying the class is better. That’s what i call being a massive hypocrite because the main reason people even complained about Dbite was it being a filler and then getting to much fury yet in the end DBlades ended up getting the exact same passive that you all whined and cried about
because tier sets change and nearly all the other classes got a complete face lift, there was a huge number squish etc etc list goes on. Buffs were not because of what you are insinuating is because of demon bite removal…
The problem is you are trying to relate apples and orange crayons together to prove a point. Like they just don’t have anything to do with each other. It’s not that I do not understand, its that your logic is to try to appeal to an opinion that is based off of misinformation or intentionally mis represented information.
Ya like give it a cooldown have it generate fury? Maybe you can place it on the ground too and we will rename it to sigil of flame.
Why rework an entire spec that has a following based on the opinions of someone who doesnt play the spec
Number Squish doesn’t make a class bad all it does is removes data so new data can be created (tell me you don’t know how a game works without telling me). what makes a class bad is removing half a kit and nerfing abilities which this didn’t happen to havoc instead ever since the beta testing havoc has been and only been buffed ability wise besides AR taking nerf over nerf.
The problem is….what misinformation? that there should be a rework of the class? the class itself is flawed if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t need so many buffs to stay relevant lmao it ain’t hard to understand but, like you said other classes got a face lift new abilities and a lot of reworked stuff yet DH Havoc got….what? I even once said in another forum that Havoc is abandoned and it more then likely wont get anymore meaningful changes besides a buff to compensate as Devourer is the new special child and look at it got nerfed then already getting abilities reworked and redesigned and buffed.
No, but what they could actually do is what they did in the testing phase where they let us have both Dblades and Dbite and the class actually preformed better until they reverted it then got rid of Dbite then slapped the passive of Dbite onto Dblades to then buff said ability because it was worse.
Why work an entire spec based off someone who doesn’t play the spec anymore? because i ain’t the only one complaining it’s kinda that simple. I stopped playing the spec due to the changes i tested in the beta and a lot of other people also complained about the class. Look we can go on and on and on and on but in the end nothing will change, Havoc is not in a good spot besides to those who will die on a hill and say it is and how can you tell? Because almost every DH you see is a Devourer EVEN when 99% of people are complaining about it, they are still played more.
Every other day, it’s this coming up again, demonstrating that people don’t know how the game actually works while they’re playing it. But this is not a rag on them, it says more about the game.
Demonblades allows your spenders to be fillers. It’s actually brilliant, considering the framework it functions in.
Now we can have a discussion about how clunky and unimpactful autoattacks feel across the board, but that’s a separate issue.
How can you possibly relate that all devourer players are ex or would be havoc players? Its a new class in a new expansion listed as a main feature. Apples to orange crayons… Every point you try to make is so disingenuous.
24k parses on demon hunters for normal voidspire and dream rift - using normal logs since that where a majority of players are going to be currently.
There are 26k parses on heroic mana forge in 11.2.5 which is before pre patch - heroic used for sample size because that’s where the largest number of players were during that phase.
I don’t really think the havoc player base is getting smaller, rather than you have a new expansion and people are playing the spec that was literally released as a main expansion feature…
No but a number squish coupled with like i said and you chose to ignore, facelift/reworks for nearly every other dps spec and new tier sets, and classes having less stats now then they did in pre patch would deffinately deffinately change their position in dps relative to others.
With your logic why do they ever need to make balance changes??
They like rebuilt 90% of the other dps specs… and you are ignoring that that has anything to do with why they might need to get buffs? Disingenuous
Where are these havoc complaints, I’ve seen 2 posts this one and one other since pre patch about demon’s bite and every one replying disagreed with your take. Where are the havoc complaint threads that you are talking about…
Demons bite was dumb filler.
There’s zero need for a generic resource builder on every class. The passive gen along side would frags, eye beam, veng retreat, fel fire, ect….there’s so much to press for actual damage without needing a dumb filler ability.
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it doesnt matter how much raiding you did
it matters how much resource you wasted, no wonder you need demon bite as a filler because you are playing the spec so collosally wrong that you need something to press to generate rage
the need to change a spec to fit someones clearly bad rotational play is just..wrong. we shouldnt change any spec to excuse someones poor play.
but weve have denied it and gave you alot of good reasons why X is now Y. you choose to ignore it and hyperfix on your subjective view.
your view of “smooth” is literally “something i can press so i can continue to never improve at the class. we shouldnt design specs around this concept
like someone else said earlier, this is uniroincally a case of someone trying to change a spec that they dont play at all.
24k parse in normal raid of this content is pretty trash i have no clue what your on about but every normal raid I’ve been in not to mention the raid i lead 30k has been the minimum to do as a dps and that’s still on the lower side.
You say that yet look at the forums and even in game how many topics do you see about it being devourer and how many players do you see tend to be devourer. Havoc has 100% lost player base its what comes with a new spec in a new expansion because like i said it will get all the new stuff while havoc gets abandoned.
You said i ignored something with the classes yet i literally stated that other classes got changes i didn’t mention tier sets because if I’m being honest are very wishy washy, Take a look at the monk’s tier list and tell me yea that’s going to triple our dps.
Rebuilt? they only rebuilt 1 spec and that was unholy dk everything else besides DH and subtle rogue got the roughly the same treatment along the lines of 1 or 2 new moves or things swapped over to better fit the kit and keep it engaging, yet DH again got LITERALLY nothing. Like DH lost NetherWalk, Fel Barrage, Fel Eruption, Looks can kill, Improved Fel Rush, Insatiable Hunger, Dps sigils, Felfire heart, isolated prey, and the ability to dodge on blur. While what was the best things DH got? the 2 passives that increase your damage by spending/gaining fury. What new abilities did DH get again? and no with my logic im not saying why do they ever need to make balance changes what im stating is the fact people keep claiming the spec was REALLY good when in fact it REALLY wasn’t. i mean the facts prove themselves Havoc DH was LITERALLY bottom of the list after you lost all the abilities.
This simply doesn’t happen just because ilvl gets nerfed nor tier sets that everyone else also didn’t have until recently, the fact shows that all the changes they did to DH did not benefit itself and they had to consistently buff the class in order to keep it on par with other classes which granted is normal however other classes are not only being buffed but also getting some skills reworked and actual changes to their kit. Clearly we see that Havoc DH is not getting any of that treatment, which would lead us to because devourer is the new favorite and gets all the attention.
and the threads I’m talking about again are from the beta which most people up and swapped to devourer because it was out preforming Havoc in every way and i mean still is even after a 4% nerf.