I Hate Being Forced To Play Content I Don't Enjoy

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I think it’s safe to say that there are 3 main aspects of the game outside of meta gameplay like pets, mount collecting, or transmog, etc. In no particular order;

1.) PVP.
2.) Raiding.
3.) Mythic+

PVPer’s can go along their way gearing up their toons and stay in PVP for as long as they want and not have to worry about a thing. You can get the best PVP items by staying in PVP (they have their own ilvl system and everything.)

Raiders, can technically stay in SoD or whatever the current tier is, you’ll get 23x-24x pieces in heroic, and then obviously the big stuff in Mythic. I do see how it would make sense for them to get a few pieces from myhic+ too, but not required by any means, not to mention its way less of a commitment compared to raiding in case they did want to do this, I see many players wear strictly and almost entirely exlusively SoD gear.

Mythic+ players, can only get 236 pieces, and then upgrade them to 242. We are then forced to raid to get higher pieces, or rely off the vault, which… 1 slot chance a week compared to 8 slot chances or whatever it is if I were to do all mythic bosses is just no comparison in terms of viability… I might not ever be able to get the gear I need if I relied on the vault. Mythic+ is extremely hardcore content, in order to push those high keys, you absolutely need 252 pieces and to min/max everything. So the Mythic+ group is the only group who is absolutely forced to play other content on an extreme level to get where they need to be.

… I hate this …
Obviously mythic raiding is where most of toxicity is and I can’t stand it. Why do you force me to be in a discord full of 25 angry nerds screaming at each other. It’s not fun. I’ve never liked raiding content, I stay away from it, but in order to be more successful at pushing 20s, I’m forced to join a little wack nerd guild and pretend im into it so I can further gear up my toon for mythic+. Luckily my guild are sweethearts, but obviously they still come down pretty damn hard on kids for messing up mechanics, and I havent been on the recieving end of it yet, but i don’t want to even have to say that, and pugs are even worse… I just want to play the game and enjoy my time. It would be different if I actually enjoyed raiding content, right… like yeah in Mythic+ sure, if I mess up. please call me out. because I always want to get better because that is my game…

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this post… and I guess in advance I’ll apologize… but this is an opinion I seriously feel… I hate being forced to be around toxic kids whose energy ruins my night…
and I know this game has a reputation to be toxic in general… like when your leveling up your toon and you run into mean people in dungeons etc… but this is different. this is way more personal, way more on the spot and high stress… it sucks. I couldn’t imagine being the guy who messes up a mechanic, gets cussed out and kicked from the guild… like wtf… and what if that person was like me, someone who is just forced to play this aspect just to be successful in a completely different aspect of the game.

in an ideal world… I just wish, say +19 keys would drop 249 pieces, and 22+ would drop 252 pieces… it seems like it would just make sense that way. I also do want to mention, that I like the design of SoD, I’d play all of the raid tiers just to check them out… on normal, heroic, or whatever… just for the game play experience… but I am not interested in pushing mythic seriously a few times of week with my nerd friends… I am just not about it. It’s not fun to me. But here we are. At least being forced to get my Tier 6 arch rep (which now you’re making it 100x easier with 9.1.5… thanks for respecting my hard work Blizz) was just boring, not emotinally draining and demoralizing due to my empathy I have for other people, and it could have easily been me becasue I don’t know anything either.

End vent. Thanks for reading… go easy on me, eh? :slight_smile:

Edit: I also want to say… looking at item level rewards VS difficulty and what it takes to achieve them…; Sure, I know Mythic raiding is super hardcore and hard… but some of those high keys are WAAAAAAY harder then Heroic raiding… I’m AOTC and I’m a completely brain dead / trash raider… I still havent passed a 20key yet… its no comparison… so how is it fair that this extremley hard piece of content (20+ key) rewards a 236 piece and I can be a bad raider killing heroic sylvannas and get a higher piece.

This issue is totally fixable… I mean there may be some in-the-background-game-dev stuff I don’t understand like balancing… but what if they just allowed us to upgrade to 249 or something via the valor upgrade box. It would make relying on the vault way more feasible and worth it.

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you are not forced to do anything. you choose to do it.

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No… I am forced to do it though… how else will I be able to handle my own in 20 keys.

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Yeah, maybe dungeon pieces should have dungeons bonuses, or things to help for dealing with affixes.

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…Yes dude… wow… beautiful. that would be a dream. Like maybe you can collect a set for fort and a set for tyran…, or I suppose just two specs which is what I currently do.

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I don’t understand why they changed the way M+ progression and gearing worked from BFA. I do not enjoy raiding at all. :confused:

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I wish I played back then… must have been a nice time… :frowning:

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Yeah, in the past i had up to maybe 15 alts, i had an unusual way of leveling them and what i used them for though. I’d work out some materials that i wanted or were selling well and then i’d level up an alt just kill grinding/farming, then i’d jump straight into dungeons+raids with friends, aside from that they were just transmute alts and profession mules.

Now i can’t really access new areas and profession stuff unless i do the core quest chains, even if i got around that, your characters are essentially broken if you don’t participate in whatever the new borrowed power systems are, it’s all just such a hassle and goes against why i personally have alts.

I don’t think my experiences is in any way the norm but it’s just my own personal view, now i have zero alts and play for a tiny fraction of the time i once did :woman_shrugging:

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In my experience M+ Is just garbage tier content designed to recycle dungeons for years and years and years.

My solution? I don’t participate any longer. If you find something in game you don’t want to do, don’t do it.

You miss out on the “advantages” but then you aren’t stressing out and can just focus on what you find fun, it’ll vary a lot player to player.

I think dividing the gear again would be a good step! Can have PvP stats back, some sort of M+ set bonus and then the raid stuff. All separate.

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gosh… firstly I apologize for not mentioning the proffesion people… you guys are legit such an important part of the WoW eco system. When I entered shadowlands for the first time in April I got into proffesions big time, but I couldn’t figure them out, seems like everything besides the upper-tier legendary vessels were just breaking even in the AH.

But yeah your experience sounds terrible… I would be livid… and this right here Blizz, this is what I’m talking about! Get real!

They fired so many people in management, and from what I hear from lawyers, the type of lawsuit they’re in requires them to fire a lot more then they already have… so I seriously wonder what is happening behind closed doors right now… they have to see that stuff is just so messed up.

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The M+ gearing progression of…Do one dungeon a week and hope you get an actually usuable item?

Or farming a dungeon and praying for a Titanforge because baseline drops were near worthless?

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mmm I have guildies pumping 20+ keys that have never even set foot in a heroic rid let alone a mythic. You can spam 15’s till you get the 246 gear you need, thats more than enough to even push high keys. A couple of the dom shard effects are nice but not must haves. Heck you can smash 15’s at 210 item level.
You just need a group that knows what they are doing.
Its more about knowing your class and the optimal route in comparison to gear.

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hmm… this is kinda cool… idk… maybe my OCD just kicks in knowing I can obtain something that will technically make me better for M+. I think what may end up happening is i’ll do hKT hSylv → and the first 3 mythic bosses per week (at my peak, im not even doing this right now)… I think that should be enough to get one last handful of higher items to squelch this affliction lol.

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I learned a long time ago that it just isn’t worth it, the best thing we can do as players is stop participating in whatever the activity is that Blizzard has changed for the worst or if it’s an overall thing, just stop playing. Metrics are the only thing they care about so unless there’s enough people just say nope, and walk away, nothing will change.

Blizzard has taken me from someone that had a constant sub from vanilla through to the very end of WOTLK, to someone that subs here and there while playing very little, i have zero alts and participate in as little as possible because they keep ruining everything i like.

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Player power in PVE right now is raid or die. Anyone saying “you’re not forced to do it” is a liar or a troll.

I think it’s time Blizz started treating M+ rewards like it’s raiders. You want to have tier sets that’s fine, or dommy shards, sure. Don’t make me raid for them.

Any response that’s “it’s always been that way.” - I feel bad for your coworkers, and your response is negligent.

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Sounds pretty logical to me. You were a consistent player all the way up to when Activision fully took over… I think they did run a few things towards the end of WotLK, and it shows in how the subs dropped.

Activision is a legendary company with legendary titles… but it seems like everything they’ve touched in Blizzard they destroyed. They were not solely responsible for Overwatch, I heard it was a game being developed by the OG Blizzard called Titans… but I mean they eventually destroyed it anyways… you can almost entirely trace it down to company philosphy. It’s not ran by DnD nerds-gone-rich anymore… its just owned by the rich.

Edit: also to the comment above this one… Yes dude… yes!!! totally agree.

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Blizz has always forced content they think is best for the player,Hence why they force rated pvp and mythics so they can post on youtube and pretend players enjoy it.

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There are two main aspects to the game:

  1. PvP
  2. PvE

And the pinnacle of PvE is mythic raiding. Dungeons, including the mythic+ side game, are just there to feed into it.

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This is what a mmo used to be !

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“Forced”?

No one is forcing you to do anything. You want do high end keys, you put in the work. Or you don’t and don’t do the keys.