I feel like Blizzard needs to open up about why Frost is always the worst

All through Shadowlands Frost was either at the bottom or was “lower-middle” at the very end. I got through by greatly out-gearing (through m+) the rest of the DPS in my raid group just to stay consistent with them. Now in the second week of raiding in DF I am struggling. AOE in m+ is not working out. Despite the buffs we just got, Frost is dead last in raids (in general).

If there is anything frost can do well, please tell me what it is. As far as I can tell, the purpose of frost mages is to be mocked. It’s such a consistent pattern at this point, that I think Blizzard just needs to come out and explain why frost is designed to be so deeply unfortunate.

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“Someone” got camped in Vanilla 18 years ago by a group of Frost Mages and that said “someone” has never let the rest of us forget it.

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Back in the days Frost was the uncontestable meta, Fire second best and Arcane dead last.

or 4 years ago. Classic/ClassicTBC/ClassicWOTLK - mage is awesome in all of them.

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I’ve only been playing endgame since Wrath. I’m a little oblivious as to who this is. Is it Ion?

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That’s the running joke, yes :slight_smile:

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It makes me think. I have seen people write that wow suffers from developers not playing the game, but maybe the problem is that certain devs do, but are biased and develop it while holding ancient grudges. I mean…yikes. Keeping a whole spec pushed down even in PVE over something that happened in PVP decades ago…petty.

Icy Propulsion needs to be buffed to at least 1.25

Snowstorm should be buffed.

Cold front is dead without Deathborne. They should buff Fractured frost a bit and but it in place of snap freeze, which could just be baked into the spec.

Just a few thoughts.

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Yup. I can’t disagree with anything you said.