There is no amount of planning, coordination or communication in anything in classic thatll match that of mythic raiding, even high mythic +
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Yeah, none of that ever happens with dungeon finder.
We never have tanks leave group because something didn’t go their way, or have a healer kicked because everybody stood in the stupid and expected them to heal them through it. Or have people aggro the room and then leave group because they don’t WANT to do the quest. They want to GOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
Nah, that was all solved by dungeon finder. Got rid of all the narcissists.
All hail the dungeon finder.
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The only thing that caused people to stop talking in party chat in dungeons is simply that there was nothing to talk about because people already knew the routes, the mechanics, the pulls etc.
People don’t talk in Classic dungeons either, because they don’t need to. In Vanilla they probably talked a lot more because nobody knew what they were doing and they had to flesh out a strategy. But in Classic, very little chat.
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It actually was solved by dungeon finder, because you could just instantly replace those people. In classic if you end up with one of them in your group there’s very little you can do about it.
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But how many different things do you only have to run once a week or once a day? I’m not saying you’re wrong to enjoy that. I’m saying the absence of that is why I love Classic.
I’ve been playing classic since late September/early October and that’s not my experience. People chat all the time.
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I dont think theres anything wrong with LFG feature… If I just started playing wow and the feature was there, I would use the sht out of it. But I didnt just start playing, so I know LFG manually is a whole different experience. Especially since I like to start most of my groups. I know sometimes its annoying when youre trying to find that tank or fill that last spot. But thats what makes classic, classic.
You need some form of leadership, you need some form of interaction. You gotta socialize so your group doesnt crumble. You gotta chit chat and make sure everyone is cool and doesnt leave and bc of that you end up bonding with some. There’s many more examples. But the most I can say is, its just not the same as pressing a button and saying, “ok afk till this sht fills up.”
I mean its all anecdotal. Ive been playing since release and every pug group is quiet unless someone messes up… Kinda like retail pugs.
To get your M+ chest, you only have to complete 1 M+ dungeon per week.
The random dungeon finder as you know it is basically irrelevant in retail WoW. It’s not used by anyone who is serious about end-game content. It’s there for people who just want easy groups to complete dungeon-related quests.
But for sure there are undesirable grindy elements in retail that are a big part of why people have deserted it for classic (AP grinding). But they are not dungeon-related.
The irony is that if you could actually do that AP grinding in dungeons a lot of people would prefer it. But you instead have to do it in open-world quests or island expeditions which are boring as hell.
Thats not my experience. I’ve been in silent groups sometimes. But mostly I see people talking. But maybe because I’m usually the one who starts the group and usually get everyone talking. Shrug. I guess just bad leadership out there.
It doesnt take much to get people out of their shells… Just talk about the horde zerg or their specs or ask a question about their class that u dont know. People love talking about themselves. Its easy to socialize man. Most people are just afraid to get chats rolling. But once it does everyone gets on board.
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Weird. Every group that I’ve been in has been quite active in chat, either with comments about the run and loot, or the occasional joke, even in pugs. Might just be the community on my server, though.
Imirak, attempting to argue with Aewendil is utterly pointless. I don’t believe they even play Classic, but what is clearly observable is that literally every post they make on this forum is asserting a skewed version of reality where none of people’s issues with Modern or reasons for liking Classic actually exist.
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alright, thanks for the heads up. I generally don’t even look at the person posting when I respond to posts.
Really because my last post literally addresses the main issue with modern retail WoW.
It’s just not what you think it is, nobody who plays modern WoW is at all bothered by the dungeon finder or LFR. It’s just not relevant to people who are there for end-game content.
The biggest issue with modern wow is the never-ending AP grind, something that’s been there since Legion. It’s the main reason people desert retail for classic.
Sorry, I didnt even play BfA, so I didn’t know chests were weekly. I tapped out with garrisons. I guess for me it’s just like when I bought Privateer and Worms on Steam. I wanted to play old favorites again. Dungeon Finder was not a part of my old favorite experience. It was a part of turning me off. If you put it in Classic, then it’s no longer my old favorite.
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Literally same my dude. I’m super talkative and like making friends, and tend to be the one forming groups. But unfortunately a lot of people I’ve made friends with dont need to run things I do (ie BRD for hammer of grace)
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The thing is, most people’s “issues” with retail don’t actually exist. Almost everyone who complains about retail brings up LFD and LFR as their reasons for hating retail. Which only informs me that they simply haven’t played retail for nearly 5 years. Because both features were relegated to the background a very long time ago in retail.
You don’t really accomplish anything using the Dungeon Finder or LFR any more in retail. The features only exist for that subsection of the player base who would otherwise never do a dungeon or raid if they weren’t there.
Anyone who is serious about dungeons or raiding in retail has most likely not used either feature the entire expansion.
So it’s not actually my “version of reality”, it really is that the people complaining about retail are complaining about a version of retail that is very far in the past.
The LF tools aren’t the only thing that pushed people away from Retail. Plenty of people were put off by the worldbuilding, character & story writing, and systems like Azurite, Garrisons, and the Legion Artifact system.
The funny thing about that statement is it makes me more likely to play retail than any statement I’ve heard about it in the last 2 years. Which shows just how much I dont care to see dungeon finder in classic.
I agree with you on those fronts. But what you hear mostly from Classic players is that they really, really hate LFD and LFR. Which just tells me that they simply haven’t played retail for a very long time because neither feature is really relevant in retail any more. Anyone serious about end-game content has no reason to ever use them. They really are just for very casual players now.
The artifact power system really is the worst thing about retail, and it’s much worse in BFA than it was in legion. Because at least in Legion you could level your artifact by simply running dungeons, which for many people is the part of the game they enjoy most anyway. But in BFA you can only get a tiny amount of it from running dungeons and are basically forced to do repeatable (and very boring) quests and/or island expeditions in order to level your artifact, which just becomes a chore.
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