I’m saying this as someone who only tried current retail WoW up to 20 since it came with my classic subscription anyway and then got bored of it because it was too easy - I don’t really understand why Classic players hate Dungeon Finder so much.
I’ve repeatedly heard the argument that it’s because it discourages communication, but I simply don’t see that. Most people when looking for dungeons just sit spamming what they need in LookingForGroup and City/Trade or their guild chat anyway and then invite anyone that whispers them. Especially during levelling where everyone levels at different paces so adding people to play with later isn’t a guarantee. Making friends obviously makes this process easier at 60, and I’ve met some great people, but most people on the server will just be people you run maybe a couple of instances with and then not really interact with outside of that. So, in my opinion, saying “LFM for insert instance here need heals and tank” in LFG chat is just Dungeon Finder with a couple extra steps, honestly.
With that said, I complete understand the dislike of Raid Finder. I think establishing raiding guilds and recruiting people is really important.
Would like to hear a good explanation honestly, because I could be convinced if someone gave good reasoning for the hate it gets.
It’s because dungeon finder makes it feel as though your group mates are disposable. Someone goes afk for 2minutes? Boot him and get a new guy. Guy accidentally face pulls the pack on the side? Boot him and get a new guy. Guy rolls need on something that you wanted? Boot him and get a new guy.
It’s about being a community, you treat people differently because you need them and they need you.
I can’t say for sure but when classic was about to drop and the addon was removed by blizzard. Most players were hoping to bring back a sense of community and player interaction.
If I am hustling for players in Westfall, I will obviously pay more heed to the chat channels and socialize with my fellow players as I wait to fill up.
Party members will be more apt to ask friends/guildies if they want to come.
Party members are less disposable.
I just think it adds more to socialization and community than a tool.
A Dungeon finder that simpley made groups and did not port people to the instance is not something most players would be opposed to having.
The issue is that Blizzard has a history of preaching and inch and taking a mile.
The whole “No changes” argument is not because Classic could not be improved it is that Blizzard has shown they do not know how to improve it, they ruin it.
Distruct of Blizzard kills Dungeon finder before it has a chance op.
Dungeon Finder makes your group mates replaceable. So that large group of Classic fanbois who love classic because they can roll tanks/healers then throw a tantrum if people don’t do exactly as they say at all times, hate dungeon finder because it makes all their threats and pouting completely pointless and empty.
You only need to look at any of the dungeon threads and see how many people are proud of themselves because they’ll “hearth out” if someone doesn’t follow their exact instructions etc to see this.
Dungeon finder ruined the game for people who mostly enjoy telling other people what to do.
The amount of time it takes to form a group and travel to a dungeon in classic means that replacing any group member means extending the time taken in there by at least 30 minutes, probably more. This enables certain kinds of narcissists to hold the rest of the group hostage to their whims, knowing that most people would rather just comply than waste so much more time replacing them.
In reality, finding a group in classic is much less fun than retail grouping. Especially when you’re sitting there waiting for 35 mins to fill the group and when you finally get in the instance and someone has to go the group falls apart because noone else wants to run it at that time.
If you have a guild then dungeon spamming is great, outside of that grouping in classic sucks.
I am 100% ok with or without dungeon finder. If Blizz does release a TBC server then we will be getting a dungeon finder anyways.
If a dungeon finder were implemented then it would simply be similar to how forming a group for a mythic dungeon in modern wow is. Start a group, toss it in dungeon finder, the tool does the advertising for you, shows you candidates, you pick from the list and then head to the dungeon. That is no different than spamming LFM or LFG in the lookingforgroup channel.
Cross-realm dungeon finder made sure that people could intentionally be d-bags with zero consequences as you couldn’t report someone on a different realm initially.
Dungeon finder is a great tool, but like ALL great tools, those with a disposition to abuse them…will.
On the flip side, if you’re not a mage then most groups are not looking for you. Dungeon finder alleviated that by allowing any class of that role to be accepted to the group.
Dungeon finder just does too much in its retail state, but implemented properly i wouldn’t have an issue with it.
For me to be okay with it, the following things would need to change:
no teleporting to dungeons
no cross server dungeons
no raid finder whatsoever
This would allow you to be able to find groups without having to vigilantly watch chat and filter out all the dungeons you’re not looking for and the random guild recruitment and trade spam in the lfg channel, but wouldn’t allow you to be toxic without consequence because the people you’re grouped with are from your server.
It would also mean you can’t just afk and sit in town and would have to go out into the world to get to the dungeon, which I think is a big part of classic.
No raid finder goes without saying.
The big issue is if they were to implement something like dungeon finder, would they be able to stop there, or would raid finder be not far behind?
Dungeon finder made it so people couldn’t be d-bags. Because if they acted like a d-bag, you’d just kick and replace them. The difficulty of replacing people in Classic means that many people are free to act like d-bags because the cost in time of replacing them is too high in most cases.
By making it too easy to get groups, players became more likely to drop a group rather than work through problems or deal with inexperience.
When it was set to teleport players to a dungeon, it made world pvp even less likely on pvp servers, since instance entrances were one of thr top places for that to take place.
The automated nature of it, especially when it was made cross realm, also made ninja style loot behavior more difficult to police, as the groups formed through an automated system, and you may never see those players again. Getting kicked from a group didn’t matter when you could just queue into another quickly.
All that said, I fully support the addition of retail’s “looking for group” tool, since it does exactly none of the things listed above, it just moves the lookingforgroup channel to a user interface that doesn’t spam your chat window.