I don't think we should give up on getting rid of Loot Trading

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A lot of people are misunderstanding.

I’m not worried about the direct effect this will have on me. I almost never pugged in vanilla. I made groups, and set the loot rules. (ML, manual rolls). I’m worried about the effect it will have on the community as a whole. There’s a reason why “internet tough guy” is a cliche. Humans are social animals that are split between a desire to conform so they can retain the safety afforded by their society, and a more base desire to take for their own benefit. The likelihood of people doing something that society won’t approve of is inversely proportional to the likelihood of them being caught.

As a community, we can ostracize people who roll on items they don’t need to try to sell it others. We can use ML to prevent people from needing on items they don’t need because they want to sell it, or trade it to friends within the group. However, there is nothing we can do to stop people from rolling on an item that they can use, but intend to give to a friend within the group if they won, and what’s worse, there is no way for us to know, definitively, that it has happened, unless we’re with the same person at a later time and see the same item drop, and they do it again.

I think a lot of people who don’t think this is a problem don’t realize how rare some of these items are. An instance might take 90 minutes to complete, for a chance at an item that has a 1% drop. People are complaining about groups having loot reservations, but at least you know about a loot reservation going in, and I think everyone would agree that waiting until an item dropped to tell people it was reserved would be unforgivable.

You and a friend do Strathe in a pug.

Deathcharger’s reins drop.

Your friend really wants it. You honestly couldn’t care less about it. You’re undead, your mount is already an undead warhorse. You’d take it from random strangers, but not from your friend.

You win the roll.

You trade it to your friend.

You two have now colluded to give one person in the group an advantage over the rest. You have effectively ninja’d. Worse than that, no one will know unless you admit it.

The difference between this and literal ninjaing is the same as the difference between robbing a bank and insider trading. J

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It’s not ninja looting if someone is rolling on a piece of gear they can use, and then trading it to a friend. If 3 clothies roll on a cloth item, and the first clothie wins it and trades it to the third clothie who is his friend, that’s not ninja looting. The first guy won the roll, fair and square. Now, if a Plate wearer rolls on a cloth item and wins it, that’s different. But you had Need Rollers rolling Need on everything in Vanilla, so nothing has changed.

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Every person in that group has a right to roll on whatever piece of loot they can use. What they do with it afterwards is none of your concern. Yeah, turning around and vendoring it for gold is a dirty thing to do, true. But trading it to someone else who can use it and put it to use isn’t. They won the item, it’s theirs to do with as they please. Stop being salty that you lost a roll and move on with your life.

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Can’t believe the acceptance of ninjaing from the generation of wrath babies+, sad world we live in.

Going to be hard to create those vanilla feel community without trust.

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Rolling on loot that a person won’t equip against a person who would, so that it can traded to another, is ninja-looting. People who do this are not be welcome in my guild and blacklisted from running with my guild mates.
‘Pass. Greed. Need.’ It’s pretty simple mates. Everyone rolls greed… unless there is a need!
Exception - In guild runs we would ‘Pass’ if there was an enchanter. They rolled ‘Greed’, thus if an item was an upgrade a person could ‘Need’ - Speeds up loot distribution.

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It’s not accepting ninjaing, because it’s not ninjaing. Grow up.

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Yeah, a plate wearer rolling on cloth would be ninjaing. A cloth wearer rolling on cloth is not ninjaing. They’re a part of the group that killed the boss and earned the right to roll on the loot. If they win, they did so fair and square. What they do with the loot afterwards is none of your business. It’s theirs to do whatever they want with.

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DPS warriors have a lot of leather that is BiS.
restodruids/moonkins, pallies, resto/ele shaman all have cloth pieces that are BiS.
Retadins and enhance shaman all have leather/mail, even some caster cloth and trinkets that are good if not BiS.

If you consider someone rolling on a piece of gear that is BiS in 1 situation a ninja, then it is ninjaing in all situations if you don’t use it yourself.

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+++++
Rare drop BoEs, mounts, pets, or other cosmetic items are always a need roll for everyone unless you already have it

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Just say you won’t accept tickets to fix loot problems and tell people they need to be sure before assigning loot.
Problem solved.

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But in vanilla BOP loot could NOT be traded.
So you didn’t roll NEED on a bop item and then be able to trade it later.

And I imagine that begging add-on will get ported over since all loot can be traded.

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i wish people would stop spreading misinformation like this. loot trading when it was in-game went through a bunch of iterations and the final one they went with was if you roll need it binds the item to you, only greed items can be traded.
why do you assume they will use the old versons of loot trading which had this ninja problem where people needed and traded which they changed to fix this issue?

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This need-bind (even BoE items) came fairly recently, didn’t it? Also, IIRC, it created the need for loot-trading because people would accidentally roll need on BoE not realizing it bound and would need to vendor it or whatnot.

Anyway, the ask is to let the community manage ninja looting through server reputation and things like that, but I’m skeptical that – even if Classic is relatively successful – I don’t think the kind of community that would be effective at reputation-based ninja reduction will actually come to pass, as much as people want it to.

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simple trick to this is to abuse it. roll with friends and all roll for each other.

will it piss people off? yes.

will those people be pissed enough to post and find other people like them to share their grief with and then post about it so much blizzard reverts the change? maybe.

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If the only reason Blizzard is implementing loot trade is to avoid cs tickets that is the wrong reason to put it in and lazy on there part. What will be ironic is when Blizzard gets double the cs tickets with people complaining about the problems with the loot trading system rofl.

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They should just restrict loot trading to current party only, make it a 5 minute limit, and have it announce in party chat who the item is traded too. Makes it easy to keep an updated blacklist which will probably have more names added to it now.

[Legollass requests to trade epic ninja’d loot to Drisstx]
[Drisstx accepts trade]

Drisstx AND Legollass get added to the blacklist.
Problem solved. Eventually.

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