Why are we to be held hostage by overpowered warriors in classic, and then swap to locks rogues and mages for TBC? Bringing them in line, with other classes getting buffed in no way impacts the thematics and flavor of these ERA expansions. Literally the only change is you dont lose a spot in a raid or zerged down in pvp by what we deemed op in retrospect. It makes no sense to me
Warriors are fine in classic. Several classes can 100-0 them without taking a hit with the right rotation.
Warrs like to talk a tough game but are pretty helpless with roots and their lack of arcane resistance
Inb4 all the âthis was what you signed up for/ Sod is that wayâ posts.
But tbf, classic is more about playing the game as it was in '07. No, its not 1:1 but it is an attempt. If you want balance changes in vanilla, then you should expect them in tbc and onwards which would nerf your mages, locks, and rogues (idk the meta in tbc).
This defeats the point and you might as well play a more balanced expansion with only the lvl 60 content. Sound just like sod to me.
Im all for a vanilla+ experience that isnt sod. The only way i can think of adding balance is adding filler content that adds minor upgrades for the meta classes and specializations while offering more robust upgrades for weaker ones. Also, maybe a pinch of added spells or abilities. That being said, this all has unforseen consequences for PvP and would require a lot of resources to test and tune so that it doesnt fully alienate vanilla purists
I am puzzled why Blizzard didnât do anything to balance mages and warriors in 2004-2005 and just let those two classes dominate the whole Vanilla. What did they change to mages and warriors in TBC that they no longer were such outliers?
OP, your post title and your post content are exactly opposite.
According to your post you ARE playing Classic for the balancing.
Youâre viewing Classic from a 2024 Retail mindset. You have to understand back in Vanilla that the game was not built around raiding. Most people didnât raid. It was no more important than leveling to most players. And those who did raid werenât the insane tryhard min/maxers that exist now. Nihilum back then would be an ultra casual guild by todayâs standards.
It was just a completely different experience.
You are playing a version of the game where the best Vanilla patch for Warriors is the permanent state of the game.
There are probably good reasons to do it that way for Classic, maybe technical challenges to doing it another way. If this were a true 1:1 to Vanilla then Warriors would start to get pretty good around AQ and be outshined by Combat Rogues and Mages until then.
No one is âheld hostageâ by warriors. WoW PvP was loosely designed around the philosophy of rock-paper-scissors. There are some classes which can completely lock down warriors 1v1 with stunning or kiting, and conversely there are some classes which a warrior can essentially steamroll in 1v1 without any counters.
Retail is made to be what some consider âbalancedâ where pretty much every class has some of the entire toolkit (a way to break fear, a way to kite, a way to stun/snare, etc)
Classic just doesnât work that way. Not every 1v1 matchup is inherently balanced in classic.
Back then people just played for fun (imagine that) and most people didnât run around with damage meters either. People played what they wanted to; what class they had the most fun with and not which class is gonna blow things up the quickest 'cause muh parses.
This version of Classic certainly is not how most people played back then.
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Mages are not as invincible as they seem if you are prepared with the right counters.
They used to have invisibility in Alpha⌠they used to be more overpowered than they are today.
you have retail⌠thereâs a way to turn xp off and enjoy the theme and content.
Yeah, this is the answer I was looking for. The other replies were not what I remembered back in 2004. However, mage was always very good at aoeing. I remember bunch of mages farming murlocs and turtles near Theramor. I am glad they limited aoe mobs later.
Warrior is still top DPS in TBC also, the only thing that changes is now warlocks can press a single button in TBC raids and parse too. Oh and hunter can 1 button macro its pet for really great DPS also, but still not warrior levels of silly.