I don't know about WoW anymore

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I know I’ll get a lot of flack for this post, but I know I’m not the only one who feels this way: I think I’m done with WoW. Not forever, mind you… If they release another xpac I’ll certainly buy it to explore and play for a time – but as far as “constant resub” I don’t think so anymore.

I’ve been playing since around Dec ‘05 I think it was, and there’s just been too many changes for this ol’ bassid to keep up with :stuck_out_tongue:

I do have (what I feel) are significant issues with the game, but I don’t expect them to change anytime soon, as the company is moving ahead and trying to keep up with changing game styles, and I get it – but it still makes me feel “meh” about the game as a whole, ya know?

First and foremost was the level squish and all the nonsense that goes with that. That was a really big change that I still hate. You worked your way alll the way to 120 just to have them ‘streamline’ the game so new players can level wherever they want, get from 1-70 in a couple days, and it took something away from the feeling of the game. When we first started playing MMOs, we knew they were a time-sink, and that was ok. You played for the fun of it, playing with other people, getting into the stories, and such… And now it’s all about speed speed speed. (There are other topics on here of people complaining about tanks speed-running brand new dungeons, and I agree – it’s a bit annoying – but just the changing times of gameplay.)

Another biggie is the fact that I just haven’t been having fun or gotten engaged in the story since BfA. That was awesome. SL was awful – and I’m really leaning towards not having fun in DL so far. I have a few more months on my sub, so I hope things get better - truly - but I won’t hold my breath.

With DL there are positives and negatives: I love that they brought back the talent tree! I missed it! I love dragon-flying, but I do miss “regular” flying too – although being able to fly this early in an xpac DEFINITELY beats waiting for “pathfinding” again.

I hate the new crafting system. It’s overly complicated with no reason to be. (Again, I have a few more months on my sub, so we’ll see.)

I do love the landscape - it’s so much nicer than SL, and I do enjoy exploring this new place. Of course (as other threads have discussed), I love exploring and collecting from old zones / xpacs as well… But the level squish screwed that up too. Not as fun anymore.

My main is an Arcane Mage, which I’ve played since I think Wrath – or maybe MoP – I can’t remember now – so I have it down pat, I think… While I never have been “top DPS” (and I’m fine with that,) the recent changes have made playing that character just awful. Tonight I did a random regular dungeon to complete a quest. It didn’t have to be heroic, so I thought “what the heck…”

I have used a DPS meter to keep an eye on my total damage done since Wrath, and I was pretty shocked. There were 2 level 63’s in my group (my main is 70) and they out-did me by over 50%. I was pretty shocked, so I checked them out, and we were all wearing level-appropriate gear. I only have 2 raid-level items on him currently. Again, I’ve been playing arcane for years and know the class spec quite well, and have never seen anything like this. If it was my fault, so be it, but looking at the logs and such, I can’t figure out why.

I think that was my final ‘meh’ moment though… I know I’ll get the “learn to play” and “waah” nonsense in the comments, but it’s how I feel, and I know there are others that feel the same as I do. The game is catering to the pull-everything-as-fast-as-you-can-don’t-enjoy-the-game-just-go-go-go player, and that’s cool – it’s just not my thing anymore.

Again - this isn’t one of those “I’m mad, so I’m leaving” posts. We’ve all seen a thousand of those (and rarely do the people actually leave the game). I’m hoping my mind will be changed as more raids / patches / content is released, but I don’t have high hopes. I’ll play out my sub and then I’ll see. WoW is definitely a hard habit to break, no doubt, but taking a break from it is probably in my future.

Just my .02.

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It seems like a good part of your issue comes with playing your spec with the new talent system. A couple of questions, are you using a “meta build”. If you are I’d suggest importing it and tweaking it until it becomes something you like playing. I personally hate consecrate and exorcism on single target so I talented out of it and put the points in other places I thought would be more viable for my play style.

Blizzard gave us a lot of freedom this time, try messing around with it a bit before quitting. If you still want to afterwards, at least you tried.

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The way scaling works in normal dungeons is “interesting”. Your power isn’t based on your level, but the quality of your gear relative to your level. So a 62 with SL tier gear is going to outperform a 70 who is early in the gearing process, often by quite a bit. It doesn’t happen in heroics, because heroics are only 70s, but in normals, it is often the case that a 62 who is well geared from the prior expansion tier gear (which will look level appropriate) will outperform a new(ish) 70 due to the way the scaling works. It’s unintuitive, and it isn’t explained anywhere, and it’s causing a lot of people to have serious misgivings because they don’t understand how it works.

You may also want to check what you’re doing with arcane against a current class guide to see what the changes to the spec look like in terms of what “experts” are recommending as builds and rotations. Nothing set in stone there, but I know that everyone right now is saying arcane performs very well (and the parses reflect that), but it requires a ton of skill to get that performance currently.

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I tanked a Normal at level 69 and there was a 60 with SL epics and a 70 with a mix of 350s and 360s.

The level 60 was doing double the damage.

It didnt seem as bad this expac but going from 59 to 60 in SL saw a massive drop in power if in leveling gear. But you could buy Greens for little gold which made a huge difference.

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I played for over a decade, took a break for SL and am back for DF, best decision ever. Take the break.

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So if you really are feeling burnt by the game it seems you have played an extremely long time you probably should take a break at the very least.

Aside from that it sounds like in your dungeon run you were getting outdamaged by some lower levels so that upset you naturally, it doesn’t make much sense yea?
The reality is what it shows you on the meters isn’t actually their DPS its scaling it up or down based on level. They are literally more powerful at lower level (higher secondary and primary stats) and the mobs are lvl 63 for them and not you.

Basically they can auto attack and do more “DPS” than you. Its silly but its the way it is. Also consider following a wowhead guide on rotation or watching some YouTube videos! Good luck bud :+1:

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Hey! Thanks for the kind words and tips guys – it really is appreciated!

When I came back to the forums, I truly expected pages of troll stuff – but I’m pleasantly surprised, so thanks again!

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I think the gameplay issues you find annoying/frustrating are valid, but I think it’s also important to remember you’re never going to be a teenager playing WoW for the first time ever again. ‘Magic’ can never be recreated and you have to find acceptance in that.

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oh I totally agree, and I have, sadly… That’s why I’m kind of okay with it. I still want to occasionally play – get a new xpac to explore around for a couple months – but I think my tenure of “always subbed” is over.

Not only my youth, but it was only the second MMO I ever played, and at the time it was still a new concept for many people, and it really was almost magical :slight_smile:

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In multi-level groups, lower level players skew the dps reports. You’re doing more actual damage, but the dps shows they are out dpsing you. For example, lvl 10 bear tanks will do 40-50% of group damage, which is just ridiculous in practicality.

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Yeah - a couple others have mentioned similar things - I didn’t realize that and was pretty put off – but now I feel better about that after reading the replies here :slight_smile: .

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Okay. You aren’t married to the game, so go enjoy other stuffs.

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Aaaah there’s what I’ve been waiting for lol

I’m sure you read the whole post, so I may not be permanently done with it – but more of a “not so much anymore” done with it. :wink:

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Not sure what that’s supposed to mean.

I know. My point still stands. Because when you enjoy other stuffs, you get a fresh perspective and can find joy again. Whether that’s in this game or others. Whether you come back or you don’t. The burnout happens and that’s the point of my comment: never feel like you’re married to the game, because that’s what burns you out and makes you miss out on other stuff.

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If i wsent for level squish we woulda been level 140 now … can you imagine new players coming and levling 140 levels ?

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People have to stop treating games like relationships. It’s an entertainment product you pay for.

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I agree, the profession system is ridiculously complicated.

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Eww wall o text. Anywho, I hope you’re experience gets better mate.

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Big reason you’re not being dragged or trolled is because its not framed to incite arguments, get a rise out of people or filled with hyperbole and whining.

I have been playing since game launched back in 05. I usually skip or only lfr the final tier. I wasnt enjoying the story and game direction in BfA so I quit until SL. Despite SL not being so great, that break I took made it easier to find enjoyment out of imo the worst expansion. If you’re sub runs out and you’re still not feeling it. Take the break even if its just a month or 2. Also normal dungeons are awful at the very least heroic is a better experience

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That’s as far as I read.

Quit - don’t quit.
Take a break - don’t take a break.

Brutally honest here, I don’t think anyone cares, maybe in game friends, if that’s how you roll.

I think WoW can get tiresome for many, then we take breaks, or quit.

Do you.

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